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pvp in this game is turning into cloakers online, we all know the kdf had cloaks most of which were not battle cloaks, only the b'rel had enhanced battle cloak and it paid for it with very weak hull and shields and now the rommys come along with hull hp of normal ships and they all get battle cloaks that are even better than the kdf cloaks with no down sides, and don't give me this we have less power TRIBBLE because with the leech console open to the rommys and the new warp cores power levels are a joke its easy to get well over 100 in each sub system now and some of the unique rommy boff skills are stupidly op.
This game is a joke now it was bad before but you had 2 clear choices fed= great hull and shield vs kdf= weaker hulls and less shield mod but had cloaks now you bring in the rommys with the best of both worlds soon this game will be rommys online and then the game will die.
Perfect world you will destroy this game with your own greed you cant see 2 step infront of your own faces, i used to play perfect world the game and you destroyed that with your greed and your going to do the same with this game too, this power creep thing has got to stop
pvp in this game is turning into cloakers online, we all know the kdf had cloaks most of which were not battle cloaks, only the b'rel had enhanced battle cloak and it paid for it with very weak hull and shields and now the rommys come along with hull hp of normal ships and they all get battle cloaks that are even better than the kdf cloaks with no down sides, and don't give me this we have less power TRIBBLE because with the leech console open to the rommys and the new warp cores power levels are a joke its easy to get well over 100 in each sub system now and some of the unique rommy boff skills are stupidly op.
This game is a joke now it was bad before but you had 2 clear choices fed= great hull and shield vs kdf= weaker hulls and less shield mod but had cloaks now you bring in the rommys with the best of both worlds soon this game will be rommys online and then the game will die.
Perfect world you will destroy this game with your own greed you cant see 2 step infront of your own faces, i used to play perfect world the game and you destroyed that with your greed and your going to do the same with this game too, this power creep thing has got to stop
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Most ppl dont even know how to properly use their cloak except for hiding, lol.
I did once however enter a pug with a friend and the team consisted of me in a TS BC (sci), my friend in a D'd (eng), a T'Varo (tac) and two feds in non-escort ships (tacs). If I remember rightly, the other team were all in non-cloaking fed/lockbox ships and we all died pretty much straight away in the opening battle. T'Varo guy wasn't happy and suggested we not play their game and to use cloak hit and run tactics. 'No battle cloak' I said, and promptly was told I shouldn't be coming into pvp without one. I wasn't really in the mood, and I was getting terrible lag anyway, so I just said 'Ok' and left, which is something I rarely do, if ever, especially in pvp, but just take a look at the team set up again... How dare those feds come into pvp in a ship that doesn't have a battle cloak....
So I think that while it may not be as bad as all that, there are definitely some players out there who think the game should be 'rommys online'.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Personally I still see more Federation ships than Romulan in PvP que for Feds. I see a lot more Romulans from the KDF side. The few Romulans I do see are either new players or Feds playing Romulan that really don't know how to effectively use the cloak.
The only 'balance' in this arguement is Romulans are open to both factions, doesn't mean you have to roll a Romulan but you can always get one in your team.
Romulans do have access to most universal consoles though, we have been gifted with an unfair advantage in this respect.
Lastly there ALOT of ways to decloak people.
There's a lot more anti-cloak warfare going on lately so their cloaks aren't very threatening.
It's always amusing to decloak Roms (particularly T'varos) and watch them sit there like a deer in headlights cause they put too much faith in their cloak and don't have a clue to fight without it.
The OP should try flying a cloaking ship and see how well he does :cool:
Yep, most cloakers way too squishy or run with EptS and RSP hehe, thats exactly where they fail.
A good t'varo is the nastiest ship you can come across though, forget the bug. Ha'fh comes close, TRIBBLE inertia is a killer though.
I don't think it's really that issue, I see it as more that the Klingon Gina got shafted because they can't cloak as well and have weaker shielded and weaker hulled ships.
Do you even Science Bro?
People tend to forget that some of the nastiest KDF vessels (Guramba, Kar'fi and Vo'quv for example) never used cloaks anyway. KDF still have the benefit of their agile, DHC-wielding battlecruisers - which can still maneuver once decloaked - and the endless flexibility of BoP universal stations.
Roms have an obvious appeal to Fed players who were fixated on Klingon cloaking, but the KDF has other tools in its arsenal.
Change your ship/skills/consoles/weapons to beat them or join them.
I remember when you hated the KDF for their 'cheating' ways in Ker'rat now I rarely see you on anything but the KDF side, but I say don't knock it until you've tried it, try making an unbeatable Rommie, not as easy as it may seem.
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." - Carl Sagan
The two basic roles that the KDF BoP can realistically fill in PvP, in my experience, are the infamous hit-and-run ambushes (a role I proudly follow in places like Ker'rat, etc) and the sci role I mentioned above. Other roles require the ability to withstand fire and keep doing your job, and that's not something easily accomplished in a BoP, not without sacrificing valuable boffslots to defensive abilities compensating for the low hull and shield mod. OR, they're roles that can be filled by other KDF ships.
The defensive gap is somewhat smaller now with the Fleet BoPs, which have a .92 shield mod as opposed to the terrible, abysmal .8 shield mod the free Hegh'ta (previously the only hit-and-run option we had before the Fleet system) had. . .but it's still running very light compared to any science/science-heavy vessel.
Yes, hauling TRIBBLE is the key to surviving in a hit-and-run BoP. I myself rely on a combination of evasive maneuvers, APO, and Impulse Capacitance Cell. . .deuterium might be something useful to throw in for extra getaway speed. I only try to stay in the fight when I feel the enemy is low-DPS, or when the odds are either even or in the KDF's favor (a relatively rare event in places like Ker'rat, where I do most of my PvP).
There is a lot regarding game mechanics that have changed over the years. Bops used to be on par with a defiant. Now they are either better (pure burst) or basically a nut that gets cracked. Add the other variety of ships added, it's what it is. I will say, with the addition of Romulan's the focus of "nerf BoPs" (MORE because I suck and can't time a epts or tact team) has went down.
The Romulan ship/s (Fleet T'Varo is the only one I have played so far) on the other hand have way more damage potential. In many cases it's situational though. I find myself leaving both my tacts in kerrat and just change between the two as I see fit. But I'm not a big tact player and I am told I suck a lot so. idk whatdo? Quit????
Both are very fun but I find my Romulan being favored more even with less Rep and non-fleet/stf gear --- over my little BoP. That is disappointing, IMO. And I am not the only one who see this. I'm not saying they both aren't fun but when I can fly my Rom and do as much or more damage while dying less, that's profit. As I grind it more, it only gets better. It's silly since my other toon is over a year old and has all the bells and whistles.
That's the cash cow I guess
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Also, I pop rommies easy in Ker'rat, WITH my rommie... and my fed... and of course my klingon... so no, they aren't as OP as you think. And yes, I know, Ker'rat is where the dregs go (or the bored good players, it's surprisingly easy to tell them apart... who spends most of their time dead, and who spends most of their time slaughtering). Even in PvP queues, Rommies don't rule the roost. Good teams that coordinate well and use STRATEGY always win. That's how it's always been.
However... a good rommie player in a T'varo, Dhelan, Ha'feh, or Scimitar is a very VERY dangerous opponent. I have seen Rommie alpha strikes that were so nasty that it left me wondering where that torpedo someone beamed into my team mate's warp core came from. I have seen a full 5 man alpha strike that wiped out an entire opposing team in one pass. I have also seen 5 man alphas on one target that failed miserably and resulted in the entire team getting killed. I have seen one man alphas that left me wondering if my shields were even dented. I won't argue that Romulan ships can be devastatingly effective, but they aren't overpowered, and are relatively easy to fail with.
It's all about knowledge of the game mechanics and of your ship... and also of your target, because imagine if you know your own ship well... that's great. But imagine if you had that... and you also know your target's ship as well... that's just plain cruel... hehehehe
I mean, seriously - no matter how bad somebody else has said you are or you have even told yourself...you can usually find at least 3-4 folks in Ker'rat to make you look like a PvP rock star...
This is truth. Ker'rat is a nice place to test new builds for PVP.. Not never the measuring stick.
Pardon me while I continue to Sharpen my Scimitar how ever till it has a Razer fine edge.
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As stated lol...
Rommy BCing Sci ship is better than anything KDF could dream about.
BCs are about even. Rommies are generally slower, but do have a BC.
The BCing pseudo Rommy destroyer (Dehlan, sp?, I think it is) is made for an aux2batt build and has more damage potential, and that's not counting the fleet version.
KDF has nice carriers.
Rommy wins consoles since they can use both faction consoles for the most part while KDF can't, iirc.
Boffs: Rommy >>> KDF.
Imo, not unexpectedly, Rommies are overall better for most playstyles.
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"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
romulans cannot use both factions consoles, only one side of the other.
Bird of Prey's have all universal and so are just as flexible if not more so than the T'Varo and the Cruisers are better on the Klinks.
All IMO of course.
Rommies can use 2 out 3 faction consoles. KDF can't use Rommy faction consoles. (tbh they may be able to use 3, I haven't tried to buy a Fed console from lock box for a Rommy. At worse KFD rommies get KDF and Rommy unlocks)
BoPs have 1 less Boff slot, 1 less weapon slot, less shields, less hull. The uni lt com slot allows the tvaro flexibility to match most BoP builds as I mentioned before. The singularity abilities allow it hit and run more and better too.
The Rommy Cruisers are slower, but they have BC which when combined w/Rommy Boffs means more DPS. They also have singularity core abilities.
Fleet Mogai is a better version of the KDF vet ship b/c of console layout, and defensive specs (singularity core abilities).
Really power levels, carriers, and movement are all KDF have (movement only really noticeble at cruiser level), and Rommies can use plas leech and depending on ship/playstyle aux2batt.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
Rom cruisers have a hard time using cannons, KDF cruisers can, that 15% boost for such a small time is not going to let them out DPS a KDF Battle Cruiser in the long run. Raptors are also slightly bulkier then most Tac ships and still have good turn rate along with it. I think it is more of an opinion then anything else, just like it supposed to be, some will prefer Romulans, others prefer KDFs, and others like Feds.