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T1 B'Rel has no battlecloak?

snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
edited May 2013 in Tribble - General Discussion and Feedback
Shouldn't the T1 B'Rel Bird of Prey have a battlecloak? Especially since the big thing about the B'Rel retrofit is the enhanced battlecloak suggesting its predecessor had a battlecloak from which the retrofit was able to ENHANCE?
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    azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The B'rel didn't change since when STO was released over 3 years ago.

    The idea is that Klingons got use to regular cloaking since Raptors and the Battlecruisers had them, while the BoP got the Battlecloaks at Tier 2.
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    nastyhyenanastyhyena Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    B'Rel lost it's battle cloak early on, either at the end of open beta or just after release. The issue being that, in low level PvP, it gave the KDf too much of an advantage as the Feds did not have access to a science ship to help with detection.

    At least that was the official line back then, as I remember it. With the T'Liss getting a battle cloak at start now, I cannot see any reason the B'Rel couldnt have one again.
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    hyoukihyouki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    The B'rel didn't change since when STO was released over 3 years ago.

    The idea is that Klingons got use to regular cloaking since Raptors and the Battlecruisers had them, while the BoP got the Battlecloaks at Tier 2.

    I'm not sure it would be inappropriate to give the B'rel a Battle Cloak at T1, considering all the Romulan warbirds get them, but then, the B'rel isn't paying the price that other Raiders are. If I remember correctly, it has the standard T1 ship hull points (10k) and shield modifier (x1.0), so it would be balanced for the standard Klingon cloak.

    Since you don't get choices at tier 1 without hitting the C-Store, I'm okay with the Klingon Miranda-equivalent having a regular cloak even if it would otherwise normally be part of the Raider line.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Romulan battle cloak is different.

    But yeah, the T1 B'Rel has been like that ever since I got mine in season 3.
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    trismtristantrismtristan Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    romulans wont be in pvp at t1 most likely. your already atleast lvl 9 and normaly level to 10 from the mission that makes you pick a side so lowest warbird in pvp should be delan/t2.
    actua;;y i've leveled to 10 and gotten t2 ship every tiem i have comeplated picking a side so not sure it's even possible to get a side chosen before before your t2.
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    nastyhyena wrote: »
    B'Rel lost it's battle cloak early on, either at the end of open beta or just after release. The issue being that, in low level PvP, it gave the KDf too much of an advantage as the Feds did not have access to a science ship to help with detection.

    Well the Oberth now exists. So ...
    With the T'Liss getting a battle cloak at start now, I cannot see any reason the B'Rel couldnt have one again.

    Exactly.
    hyouki wrote: »
    but then, the B'rel isn't paying the price that other Raiders are. If I remember correctly, it has the standard T1 ship hull points (10k) and shield modifier (x1.0), so it would be balanced for the standard Klingon cloak.

    So let's get the ship adjusted. Now is the perfect time for that, as all these romulan ships are getting adjusted repeatedly. All BoP's should have the battlecloak. It's one of their features. Let's make this so!
    I'm okay with the Klingon Miranda-equivalent having a regular cloak even if it would otherwise normally be part of the Raider line.

    I'm not. The T'Liss has one. So the B'rel should get one too.
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    neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Well the Oberth now exists. So ...



    Exactly.



    So let's get the ship adjusted. Now is the perfect time for that, as all these romulan ships are getting adjusted repeatedly. All BoP's should have the battlecloak. It's one of their features. Let's make this so!



    I'm not. The T'Liss has one. So the B'rel should get one too.

    T'Liss won't be in PVP at that level since Romulans need to join an ally which won't happen till you're level 9 and that mission when completed will boost you to level 10 and tier 2
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    T'Liss won't be in PVP at that level since Romulans need to join an ally which won't happen till you're level 9 and that mission when completed will boost you to level 10 and tier 2

    PvP at levels 1 to 10 is pretty much not worth anyone's time or trouble. You blink as KDF or Fed and you're level 10.

    The first time around, KDF started at level 6. And prior to season 1, could ONLY level through PvP.

    It's totally different right now. In fact, the whole point of the KDF tutorial is that the faction is getting revamped. Now's the time to give the T1 B'Rel the proper raider stats and features. I've tested this ship in the tutorial and it doesn't feel right without a battlecloak. That's my feedback and that's what I'm sticking to.
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    vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited May 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    PvP at levels 1 to 10 is pretty much not worth anyone's time or trouble. You blink as KDF or Fed and you're level 10.

    You'd be surprised! :rolleyes: Kerrat is surprisingly popular at any level. At current state it gives the illusion to those at lt-ltcmdr it's a PvE zone. I think there's going to be a lot of surprises coming especially at Lt level.

    In regards to the Romulan BOP, T'liss I highly doubt we'll be seeing much of it, however the Dhelan is going to be a problem I think in current state in regards to pvp. It's got the turn rate of an escort, shields of one to. More crew (and hull?) Better Boff layout and a battlecloak. The singularity core also comes with essentially a miracle worker. (will have to review all this)

    So if anyone thinks pvp isn't going to matter till tier 5, may I remind you it starts at tier 1 when people get their first taster, and ironically when it is perhaps the most thrilling. Tier 5 is considered by a few quite a snore fest.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Feds go into Kerrat at around level 5/6. I assume KDF can go in there at that level as well - I didn't playtest any of the non-mission content with a KDF. So it is possible to be doing PvP between 5 and 10 in your T1 ships.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    cptshephardcptshephard Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The T'liss has 40 base power to compensate for that battle cloak and the singularity powers. It's earned its battle cloak. Gimp the B'rel in a similar fashion and have at it.
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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    cptshephard wrote: »
    The T'liss has 40 base power to compensate for that battle cloak and the singularity powers. It's earned its battle cloak. Gimp the B'rel in a similar fashion and have at it.

    I'm A-OK with them changing the ship's other stats to compensate. I think the ship is a BoP and should be changed to be a BoP. Now's the time to make this change, as it's all part of this KDF revamp and Legacy of Romulus extravaganza. Let's get this done. Make it a true BoP with the features and feel of a BoP.

    I don't think PvP is going to be harmed one bit. The Federation has 5 different T1 ships to choose from right now, with the Miranda, TOS Constitution, Oberth, NX and Steamrunner all on their list. And much of the federation playerbase has had three years to play the game from level 1, and even collect various starter ships.

    So I don't see any major disadvantage for anyone, and add in the extremely fast levelling process and a Fed can be hooked up into a saber or nova or excalibur before they know it anyways.

    The Romulans are setting the stage for a new era in STO's multifaction experience. That includes these sweeping changes to the KDF side as well. Let's keep up with that momentum and get the T1 B'Rel updated to be a fully functional Bird of Prey, battlecloak and all. If that means adjustments to compensate, well, that's the whole point of the Bird of Prey isn't it? And shouldn't brand new KDF players get taught how to fly a BoP with its features/advantages and limitations right from the start anyways?
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    vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited May 2013
    Quite curious question I think nobody has asked - Doesn't the cstore t1 BOP have a battlecloak?
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    vitzh wrote: »
    Quite curious question I think nobody has asked - Doesn't the cstore t1 BOP have a battlecloak?

    http://imageshack.us/a/img62/293/brolthtribble.jpg

    it does.:cool:
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