Well, the Scimitar certainly had a killer battle cloak.... I mean really.... It could stay cloaked while firing everything it had, AND maintain shields!
I would throw a Romulan BoP in there. Probably as your starter ship a la the Miranda Class.
I am all for Romulans not having Battle Cloaks. While Romulans had cloaks they never used them like the Klingons did, and the Romulans where never much of a hit and run type of fighter. They are more of a come out of no where, you (the enemy not the Roms) are in the Weeds now, kind of race. So a standard cloak (much as I love the battle cloak) seems more like them.
Unfortunately, like the Klingons there isn't much canon material for ships, certainly not enough to support a whole faction from level 1-50 in this game. So , much of the ships will probably be non-canon, cryptic made models. But as long as I can get a Tier 5 D'deridex, I will be happy.
Lemme see. I believe it WAS the romulans who used the "battle cloak" technique first. In the TOS Episode Balance of Terror. Decloak, shoot, cloak.
I would throw a Romulan BoP in there. Probably as your starter ship a la the Miranda Class.
I am all for Romulans not having Battle Cloaks. While Romulans had cloaks they never used them like the Klingons did, and the Romulans where never much of a hit and run type of fighter. They are more of a come out of no where, you (the enemy not the Roms) are in the Weeds now, kind of race. So a standard cloak (much as I love the battle cloak) seems more like them.
Unfortunately, like the Klingons there isn't much canon material for ships, certainly not enough to support a whole faction from level 1-50 in this game. So , much of the ships will probably be non-canon, cryptic made models. But as long as I can get a Tier 5 D'deridex, I will be happy.
You may be in for a surprise.
Romulans INVENTED battle cloak. In fact, EVERY cloak. They are the masters of it.
Plus, there are plenty of canon and fan fiction Romulan ship designs around.
Here's my take on the romulan playable ships; most would have battle cloak and probably a built in bonus to starship stealth stat but in exchange they'll probably have weak hull and slighter weaker shield compared to klingon ships (which are built for brawling, they just use the cloak for first strike advantage and for their "raiders" for recon/hit n fade).
I would love to see a playable Romulan Faction. I am sure they will have all the ships that Cryptic can fit in, plus all the ships they can sell in the Z-Store. There is something else that hasnt been addressed here...the Hirogen Ships. Sela is allied with the Hirogens giving the Romulan player acess to those ships. Just like KDF players can get Gorn, Orion and Nausican Vessels the romulan player can have a Seeker Frigate, Hunter Escort, Apex Battleship or Huntsman Dreadnought
You may now pelt me with stones for bringing this up BUT before you do realize this gives the option of having a bridge with trophies (cough cough skulls) hanging from the ceiling...
I would love to see a playable Romulan Faction. I am sure they will have all the ships that Cryptic can fit in, plus all the ships they can sell in the Z-Store. There is something else that hasnt been addressed here...the Hirogen Ships. Sela is allied with the Hirogens giving the Romulan player acess to those ships. Just like KDF players can get Gorn, Orion and Nausican Vessels the romulan player can have a Seeker Frigate, Hunter Escort, Apex Battleship or Huntsman Dreadnought
You may now pelt me with stones for bringing this up BUT before you do realize this gives the option of having a bridge with trophies (cough cough skulls) hanging from the ceiling...
Cast my vote for Faction # 3
This is the only way to go. It adds depth and options to the faction.
But this thread as a whole has a ton of bad misinformation in it. I hope the Devs do not take and ideas from it and are able to truly find a balance between ingame mechanics and the Romulans we have come to enjoy from other games and movies.
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I think you'll find the Scimitar is a Reman design. Was it not stated in the film it was built at a secret base?
Correct, it was built is secret sort of. It was submitted and rejected by the Romulans as a design. Then the Remens built it in a secret base anyways and took over with it.
The funny part to me is that it is a Remen Warbird in the movie and only slightly larger the Enterprise and new Romulan Warbirds that also appear in the movie. Yet in game it suddenly is called a Dreadnought and is overly sized.
But dont get me started on how @#%&ed up the last few movies have been to Romulans. :mad:
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But to be honest. I don't want a scimitar. I would go for a Valdore Class Ship.
And to sum up the naming issue with this type.
John Eaves has stated: "It was always called the Valdore-class in what we were doing! and this was the signature Valdore!"
The Star Trek Customizable Card Game refers to the Valdore-type as the Norexan-class.
The Star Trek: Titan novels from Pocket Books and Star Trek Online classify the Valdore-type as the Mogai-class.
But to come back to the battle Cloak vs. normal Cloak issue.
To be honest I think all Romulan/Reman Ships should have Battle Cloak. And here's why. In the state their empire is in right now they need every tactical advantage they can get. They do not have the large Imperial Navy anymore and they most certainly don't have the means to produce many ships like they had back at the time frame of the.. let's say Dominion War. I mean we are talking about D'tan's Group because they are certainly the only faction you could get as playable faction. Sela is gone, will maybe/likely return with the Iconians. And the other splinter groups are not really worth mentioning.
Also I think the Romulan faction will do it Panda style (for those who get the WoW reference). It's the only valid option story wise, also the way of the least work to integrate them into the game.
On the whole dual cannon thing for the D'deridex, IMO even if the D'deridex had the turn rate of say around a Negh'var I'd rather it have battle cloak than dual cannons.
he did not rule out single cannons but they have to try and match it up to what is shown on screen as best they can.
the negh'var had duel cannons in ds9. to my knowledge the d'deridex only ever used single cannons. if there is any canon refrences to duels then fair enough
Not sure if its been pointed out yet, but the Mogais that assisted the E in Star Trek Nemesis were using dual cannons. In any case though, the D'Deridex should not be using dual cannons since its a cruiser.
Of course, the game is not always like canon. The Scimitar is scaled back. You should be able to equip '52 disruptors, 27 torpedo launchers, and 2 shield arrays' as well as being able to fire while cloaked.
You aren't way off base here. The scimitar was somewhat bigger than a sovereign class starship, but not by a huge comparison. But it isn't the only off thing about the Romulans in the game. You'll note the Valdore class warbird from Nemesis is a full warbird classification of ship. It is suppose to be the successor to the D'Deridex warbird. In the game it has become an escort at best. Way underpowered and with a bizarre name.
The one that scales? So Romulan ships should be like shuttles?
I really, REALLY wished STO went that route. Scalable ships according to your level. That way, people can zip around in the ship that they love. That way, we never would have had as much moaning about new ships to use at level cap. Because if all ships were scalable, then every player can use the ENTIRE faction's available lineup. From Mirandas to Sovereigns, the same thing with the KDF.
I had kinda thought that Romulans would have a lot more science ships, that perhaps had extra weapons slots and more maneuverability. From the gameplay alone, they seem to use far more science skills than any other race.
So maybe their ships should have a significant science leaning? Passive Sensor Analysis by default or something similar to the Weakness analyser console?
Well, I was a pretty big fan of the Raptor, Griffin and Shadow class in Armada. I'd also like to see them have a minelayer/kinetic ship with a 3/4 weapon loadout.
Otherwise, yeah, cloaking and a respectable science capacity. My real question is whether they'd stick with the conventional disruptor loadout.. or if they'd follow the trend of the New Rom reputation system and switch over to plasma energy weapons.
The Romulan scout ship design from TNG ("The Defector" and so on) should really be in there somewhere. That one gets forgotten constantly for some reason. I feel like I haven't seen it in a Star Trek game since Echoes From The Past on the Sega Genesis!
Anyway, I got the impression that it was bigger than Vreenak's shuttle (DS9 "In the Pale Moonlight") but a tad smaller than either version of the Bird of Prey. Annoyingly, TNG's "The Next Phase" kitbashes the same model and gives it a ton of implied internal volume compared to what we saw earlier. Star Trek was always reusing models like that and messing with scale for dramatic effect, though.
As for basic gear, I figure we'll just get a few new toys sprinkled amidst scaled-down freebie versions of the Reputation and Embassy stuff that already exists. That would be the easiest to do and all the assets are already there. Besides, why would any version of the Romulan military represented by a playable faction (or whatever else this is) be using anything all that different from all the other Romulans? Expect plasma, more plasma, plasma everywhere.
I guess it's possible that we might get an expanded Hirogen influence in gear and ships but that depends on the backstory. Probably wouldn't be any more than what the KDF took from their vassal races. Still, a version of the Hirogen Apex adorned in Romulan colours would look pretty cool.
I had kinda thought that Romulans would have a lot more science ships, that perhaps had extra weapons slots and more maneuverability. From the gameplay alone, they seem to use far more science skills than any other race.
So maybe their ships should have a significant science leaning? Passive Sensor Analysis by default or something similar to the Weakness analyser console?
I really like this idea of passive sensor analysis and a more "sci" leaning. The idea of scalable ships has serious merit too (but I would still like to see c-store ships which offer goodies... like have a Mogai class which scales, but the Valdore class which comes with a console, or weapon. Starfleet did it with the Intrepid -> Bellerophon, Defiant -> Sao Paolo, etc., etc.).
As to the cloak, Romulans exchanged cloaking tech (of a much more primitive design) with Klingons in exchange for KDF ships (of an outdated design). KDF took the cloak in the direction they wanted - BATTLE!! The Romulans in show use the cloak for subterfuge, intimidation ("where are they?") and I would posit that their cloak is more "perfect". Geordi said the Scimitar's cloak was perfect because they could not see through it. Okay, the Scimitar was a unique ship, and probably had unique features which died with it, but the idea that certain abilities used for detecting cloaked ships in game would be less effective on Romulan ships has a great deal of appeal to me. "Silly Starfleet, thinking that you can flush us out, like game or some Klingon brute!"
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P'Vael class for a Raptor
T-2 or R-8 or V-30 for this BOP
N-8 and R-16 are also fancy
Chances are next to none for most of these ships.
A lot of them are
-FASA like the V-30 "Winged Defender" or the T-2 "Death Talon"
-Activision like the Griffin to which some a-hole added the V-63 designator
-fanfiction like the V-33 "Thunderbird" which was created by Brad Torgensen in the early 1990's
Sorry, but the licenses are probably somewhere else.
Personally, I'd love to fly the V-7 "Whitewind"
The FASA Romulan designs were probably the best of the bundle, it's too bad we will probably never see them.
I just want to say that I really hope they properly handle the difference between Romulan and Reman ships. For example, I hope only the Reman Scimitar has fighters.
Maybe it's a coincidence or a case of "parallel evolution" in seperate parts of the franchise but I think it's a good direction to go into.
I also think the R'derex from "Birth of the Federation" would be a ship to drwa inspiration from.
I'm honored you like that ship! I designed/modeled it for Paramount and Taldren in 1999, a couple before Nemesis and the Valdore ever existed.
I was trying to make a ship that bridged the gap between the white BoP in the original series, and the green ships from the next-generation era. If you look close, you can see a BoP in there...
I'm honored you like that ship! I designed/modeled it for Paramount and Taldren in 1999, a couple before Nemesis and the Valdore ever existed.
I was trying to make a ship that bridged the gap between the white BoP in the original series, and the green ships from the next-generation era. If you look close, you can see a BoP in there...
My god, it's already been a year since this thread and look what has happened since then.
Anyway hats off to you this great contribution.
Your ship does share some similarities with the R'derex from 1999's "Birth of the Federation"
even though yours is more elegant (BotF's engine doesn't help either)
So it seems this general design is...kinda the typical pre-TNG Romulan ship in a strange sense.
p.s. when you look from the top the BoP is plainly visible.:)
Looks like Cryptic stole your design with the Ar'kif....
Well, I wouldn't say anyone stole anything. When you're designing for Romulans, there's only so many ways to make a bird spaceship using only the BOP and D'deridex as inspiration. That was it as far as official Romulan designs from the shows and movies until the new millenium, when we got the Valdore and Scimitar.
Really, if I was influenced by an idea, it was the ship from Interplay's original Starfleet Academy Bridge Simulator game (the same ship was later used in Interplay's original version of Starfleet Command). That was the first time AFAIK that a romulan ship was designed to bridge TOS and TNG, it was quite obviously an old Bird of Prey with a bird head. I can't find a good screenshot, I think it was called the Garuda class:
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You may be in for a surprise.
Romulans INVENTED battle cloak. In fact, EVERY cloak. They are the masters of it.
Plus, there are plenty of canon and fan fiction Romulan ship designs around.
You may now pelt me with stones for bringing this up BUT before you do realize this gives the option of having a bridge with trophies (cough cough skulls) hanging from the ceiling...
Cast my vote for Faction # 3
This is the only way to go. It adds depth and options to the faction.
But this thread as a whole has a ton of bad misinformation in it. I hope the Devs do not take and ideas from it and are able to truly find a balance between ingame mechanics and the Romulans we have come to enjoy from other games and movies.
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Correct, it was built is secret sort of. It was submitted and rejected by the Romulans as a design. Then the Remens built it in a secret base anyways and took over with it.
The funny part to me is that it is a Remen Warbird in the movie and only slightly larger the Enterprise and new Romulan Warbirds that also appear in the movie. Yet in game it suddenly is called a Dreadnought and is overly sized.
But dont get me started on how @#%&ed up the last few movies have been to Romulans. :mad:
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I beg to differ. The length maybe with "only" 890 meters but the width with 1350 meters, almost twice as big.
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But to be honest. I don't want a scimitar. I would go for a Valdore Class Ship.
And to sum up the naming issue with this type.
John Eaves has stated: "It was always called the Valdore-class in what we were doing! and this was the signature Valdore!"
The Star Trek Customizable Card Game refers to the Valdore-type as the Norexan-class.
The Star Trek: Titan novels from Pocket Books and Star Trek Online classify the Valdore-type as the Mogai-class.
But to come back to the battle Cloak vs. normal Cloak issue.
To be honest I think all Romulan/Reman Ships should have Battle Cloak. And here's why. In the state their empire is in right now they need every tactical advantage they can get. They do not have the large Imperial Navy anymore and they most certainly don't have the means to produce many ships like they had back at the time frame of the.. let's say Dominion War. I mean we are talking about D'tan's Group because they are certainly the only faction you could get as playable faction. Sela is gone, will maybe/likely return with the Iconians. And the other splinter groups are not really worth mentioning.
Also I think the Romulan faction will do it Panda style (for those who get the WoW reference). It's the only valid option story wise, also the way of the least work to integrate them into the game.
Not sure if its been pointed out yet, but the Mogais that assisted the E in Star Trek Nemesis were using dual cannons. In any case though, the D'Deridex should not be using dual cannons since its a cruiser.
Of course, the game is not always like canon. The Scimitar is scaled back. You should be able to equip '52 disruptors, 27 torpedo launchers, and 2 shield arrays' as well as being able to fire while cloaked.
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I really, REALLY wished STO went that route. Scalable ships according to your level. That way, people can zip around in the ship that they love. That way, we never would have had as much moaning about new ships to use at level cap. Because if all ships were scalable, then every player can use the ENTIRE faction's available lineup. From Mirandas to Sovereigns, the same thing with the KDF.
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/web/Romulan_Size_Comparison_Chart.jpg
So maybe their ships should have a significant science leaning? Passive Sensor Analysis by default or something similar to the Weakness analyser console?
Otherwise, yeah, cloaking and a respectable science capacity. My real question is whether they'd stick with the conventional disruptor loadout.. or if they'd follow the trend of the New Rom reputation system and switch over to plasma energy weapons.
ok a bit tactical side of science
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...I wonder who holds the rights to the Chodak.
Anyway, I got the impression that it was bigger than Vreenak's shuttle (DS9 "In the Pale Moonlight") but a tad smaller than either version of the Bird of Prey. Annoyingly, TNG's "The Next Phase" kitbashes the same model and gives it a ton of implied internal volume compared to what we saw earlier. Star Trek was always reusing models like that and messing with scale for dramatic effect, though.
As for basic gear, I figure we'll just get a few new toys sprinkled amidst scaled-down freebie versions of the Reputation and Embassy stuff that already exists. That would be the easiest to do and all the assets are already there. Besides, why would any version of the Romulan military represented by a playable faction (or whatever else this is) be using anything all that different from all the other Romulans? Expect plasma, more plasma, plasma everywhere.
I guess it's possible that we might get an expanded Hirogen influence in gear and ships but that depends on the backstory. Probably wouldn't be any more than what the KDF took from their vassal races. Still, a version of the Hirogen Apex adorned in Romulan colours would look pretty cool.
I really like this idea of passive sensor analysis and a more "sci" leaning. The idea of scalable ships has serious merit too (but I would still like to see c-store ships which offer goodies... like have a Mogai class which scales, but the Valdore class which comes with a console, or weapon. Starfleet did it with the Intrepid -> Bellerophon, Defiant -> Sao Paolo, etc., etc.).
As to the cloak, Romulans exchanged cloaking tech (of a much more primitive design) with Klingons in exchange for KDF ships (of an outdated design). KDF took the cloak in the direction they wanted - BATTLE!! The Romulans in show use the cloak for subterfuge, intimidation ("where are they?") and I would posit that their cloak is more "perfect". Geordi said the Scimitar's cloak was perfect because they could not see through it. Okay, the Scimitar was a unique ship, and probably had unique features which died with it, but the idea that certain abilities used for detecting cloaked ships in game would be less effective on Romulan ships has a great deal of appeal to me. "Silly Starfleet, thinking that you can flush us out, like game or some Klingon brute!"
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BOP with phased battle cloak (as advanced on B'rel)
<add B'Rel stats here> only change for the non-repetiveness sake:
Fore - 3 weapon slots ( i would hurray for 4)
Aft - 3 weapon slots
5x universal BOFF stations
x x x x
x x x
x x
x
x
Consoles:
4x tac
3x sci
3x engi
DESIGN wise i would kill for these:
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/web/Romulan_Size_Comparison_Chart.jpg
P'Vael class for a Raptor
T-2 or R-8 or V-30 for this BOP
N-8 and R-16 are also fancy
Chances are next to none for most of these ships.
A lot of them are
-FASA like the V-30 "Winged Defender" or the T-2 "Death Talon"
-Activision like the Griffin to which some a-hole added the V-63 designator
-fanfiction like the V-33 "Thunderbird" which was created by Brad Torgensen in the early 1990's
Sorry, but the licenses are probably somewhere else.
Personally, I'd love to fly the V-7 "Whitewind"
http://www.haaswerks.com/images/products/184.jpg
for which FASA actually made miniatures back in the 80's.
There were hints of encounters with new highly advanced Romulan ships in The Path to 2409.
I just want to say that I really hope they properly handle the difference between Romulan and Reman ships. For example, I hope only the Reman Scimitar has fighters.
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the Romulan Advanced Heavy Cruiser from "Orion Pirates"
http://www.tacticalstarshipcombat.com/FASA/sds/Ship%20Images/romulan_v60.jpg
and of course the ship used to represent the Battlehawk in the SFC games in general
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/escort_r3.jpg
Maybe it's a coincidence or a case of "parallel evolution" in seperate parts of the franchise but I think it's a good direction to go into.
I also think the R'derex from "Birth of the Federation" would be a ship to drwa inspiration from.
http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/02/2/3/7/78286222119605195.png
I'm honored you like that ship! I designed/modeled it for Paramount and Taldren in 1999, a couple before Nemesis and the Valdore ever existed.
I was trying to make a ship that bridged the gap between the white BoP in the original series, and the green ships from the next-generation era. If you look close, you can see a BoP in there...
That said, you should apply to Cryptic. I'd like to see what designs you could bring to the table there for the game.
My god, it's already been a year since this thread and look what has happened since then.
Anyway hats off to you this great contribution.
Your ship does share some similarities with the R'derex from 1999's "Birth of the Federation"
http://romulan-legacy.de/ships/BOTF-ship1.jpg
even though yours is more elegant (BotF's engine doesn't help either)
So it seems this general design is...kinda the typical pre-TNG Romulan ship in a strange sense.
p.s. when you look from the top the BoP is plainly visible.:)
Well, I wouldn't say anyone stole anything. When you're designing for Romulans, there's only so many ways to make a bird spaceship using only the BOP and D'deridex as inspiration. That was it as far as official Romulan designs from the shows and movies until the new millenium, when we got the Valdore and Scimitar.
Really, if I was influenced by an idea, it was the ship from Interplay's original Starfleet Academy Bridge Simulator game (the same ship was later used in Interplay's original version of Starfleet Command). That was the first time AFAIK that a romulan ship was designed to bridge TOS and TNG, it was quite obviously an old Bird of Prey with a bird head. I can't find a good screenshot, I think it was called the Garuda class:
http://www.quicksilver.com/starfleetscreenshot.php?shotID=282§ion=-1
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/heavycruiser_vh10.jpg
As far as the R'derex, that reminds me of the FASA designs from the 80s more than anything else. Some elements from the V-30 (top view, anyway):
http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/romulans/V-30/V-30.html
But like I said, it's all so derivative.