Seekers skillfulness on various servers

What makes seekers great? easy, use random skills till u get enough zerk crits to kill oponent, no skill or combos needed, just luck!

They need just as much skill as how skillfull people are in PK in PWI.

b:avoid

Uhh, what is this thread asking exactly?

Can't really speak for PvP, but its depressing how so many either don't shatter (instead just skill spamming or setting up Vortex). Came across one in WS not too long ago who thought Mind/Soul Shatter was only for Wizards and didn't even level them beyond 1 because he "had more important things to spend on" and his bias towards Assassins who supposedly "love heart shatter".

Even rarer than someone who uses shatters is one who uses/swaps stances and their triggers. I cant remember the last time Ive seen someone use S.Minuet>Gemini Slash trigger and then using NSW's and other things for even further defense level debuffing....

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Can't really speak for PvP, but its depressing how so many either don't shatter (instead just skill spamming or setting up Vortex). Came across one in WS not too long ago who thought Mind/Soul Shatter was only for Wizards and didn't even level them beyond 1 because he "had more important things to spend on" and his bias towards Assassins who supposedly "love heart shatter".

Even rarer than someone who uses shatters is one who uses/swaps stances and their triggers. I cant remember the last time Ive seen someone use S.Minuet>Gemini Slash trigger and then using NSW's and other things for even further defense level debuffing....

I used to do that on my seeker, and I still will on occasion depending on whether or not there is a barb in squad that uses devour (which most do) it will overwrite the attack level debuff... would be a bit of a waste of time to s.minuet/gemini slash then switch on over to NSW for further def lvl reduction. Its why I generally just stick with NSW/staggering strike while on my seeker.

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As for the original topic of what makes a seeker good, the same could be asked about all classes.

Like a bm/sin if a seeker can time their soul shatter well enough, they will be loved in squad, the other two shatters can pretty much be put on a boss as soon as it is attacked. If they throw in their NSW debuff they really can allow a squad to go MUCH MUCH faster.

Ugh, Archosaur has some pretty terrible seekers. Its a shame so many of them are geared pretty nicely. All I`m gonna say is QPQing for the seal.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Can't really speak for PvP, but its depressing how so many either don't shatter (instead just skill spamming or setting up Vortex). Came across one in WS not too long ago who thought Mind/Soul Shatter was only for Wizards and didn't even level them beyond 1 because he "had more important things to spend on" and his bias towards Assassins who supposedly "love heart shatter".

Even rarer than someone who uses shatters is one who uses/swaps stances and their triggers. I cant remember the last time Ive seen someone use S.Minuet>Gemini Slash trigger and then using NSW's and other things for even further defense level debuffing....

I acepalm at that guy you say and the shatters, had mine saged for 2 years now almost, dont regret it but make me sad some seeker are makign them primal, it lose the burst you cna give to psy and wizzy in pve (said burst is short if you count hf and ep/subsea)

For the stance thing, Primal made that soooo easier for pve its silly, yes you dont have aoe, but what mobs hurt even a g16 seeker? Soulsever minuet stance proc every 2 gravel blade, which can eb easily followed by a blade affinity + gemini slash. For northen sky waltz, its usually good in a skill spam chain to have Wind blade always on cd almost, and the proc rate being 40%, its fairly often the debuff is popped ( said stance dont show up liek before, it put a 1 sec mini bleed and the def lvl debuff in icons)

unrefuted wrote: »

*snip*

Also, PVE is so easy in this game it's impossible to fail at it.

So getting old hearing people say that, when I hear fairly constant complaints about 'insert class and name' fails at their class. (Especially when it comes to bm's.. and no I don't generally hear complaints about my bm when I am in other squads.... and I am obviously not the best bm that has ever played the game, be it pve-wise or pvp... hell I KNOW I am far from the best when it comes to pvp... but to be fair to myself/others the class is gimped/its extremely difficult to play a class that has to go through as much as a bm does in rubbish gear.) -Enough of that bs though. :$-

If it was so easy then why do so many fail at it? Prove you can do pve, and quit failing on runs consistently. (This comment isn't meant for the person I quoted, I mean more for those who 'say' they're badass at pvp but fail at pve since its so 'boring' be that as it may, you should still 'prove' it and stop failing so often at pve things.)

It's one thing to fail once in a while, but if you keep failing at your class, you wont be re-invited back on runs. (It's why quite a few pvers have a 'do not squad with XXXXXX person due to various reasons, namely that they either fail, or are total pricks.)



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So yea in short...

If it really is so 'easy' then why in the hell do so many people completely and utterly fail at instances and stuff? b:avoid

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Oh snap that's so veering off topic.

I'm human... don't whip me.. unless your a female f:naughty

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Seriously though, it really isn't that hard to see when a seeker, or any class for that matter fails at what they're doing, especially when you start to notice how much longer something is taking/start noticing how much faster a squad is with a competent players behind each of the characters which includes seekers. (It's not about someone playing a class exactly how I would, but more about how they essentially should play it to get its full effectiveness out, namely doing what your class does best to ensure a smooth, quick and successful run.)

CANUS_MAJOR - Archosaur wrote: »

Archosaur has alooooot of seekers, but not many that are rrr9 atleast compared to other classes from what i've seen. Not enough seem to use qpq for its debuff transfer, and like hideyourhubby mentioned use it more as just a seal. The ongoing joke bout seeks in general is all they do is vortex, but thankfully I have yet to see many seeks use it during pvp.

I think with seekers on our server, u can find some really skilled ones but they aren't all going to be the ones with rrr9. I think this kinda stands for most classes though, if your looking at just rrr9's for the most skilled of any class ur not always gonna find it.

The most skilled BM on Archo uses R9rr b:avoid

Oh, wait.. no.. that guy sucks. ****.

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

The most skilled BM on Archo uses R9rr b:avoid

Oh, wait.. no.. that guy sucks. ****.

Skilled BMs on Archo?
Dud, share what you've been smoking.

Keisari - Raging Tide wrote: »

So, seems like on RT majority of seekers completely ignore stances, QPQ-combos, timing shatters etc etc etc which in Kitty's opinion really filters the good weeds from bad weeds.

Ish situation as bad on other servers?

When you say ignoring stances, do you mean that they aren't using a stance at all? If they have gotten the Primal skills they won't be in any stance. Depending upon the attack they use, the target can get marked. Or at least that is what I understand as I've not learned the Primal Blade skills (still prefer to be able to switch stances and mark multiple targets).

Or do you mean they are not triggering on a marked target?

One reason you might not want to QPQ would be if it's gonna cause the target to move out of range from stationary attacks.

With timing shatters, I assume you are meaning the people that have not already learned Chaos Blade (the one that combines all 3 shatters with a long duration). Really the only one you need to worry about timing is Soul Shatter as it's duration is so short. I think with timing, it depends some on the communication of the squad. A regular group that's had a lot of practice together should have this down pretty well while a pickup group might not. If people talk and let the rest of the squad know what they are doing this becomes a lot easier to coordinate.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I remember one NW where I had the flag and a BM came in to roar a group of us, as he channelled he dissapeared and ebri was there standing there instead trolol, and she also has a reputation for one shotting venos with their own demon ironwood proc xD

That's just brilliant! I've used transposition to pull the flag carrier back from the platform or to pull a psychic that was camping between two towers (on the bridge map). It's fun to hand a BM back their HF as well. b:chuckle

I think what makes a seeker good is if they know their skills and when to use them to their (solo) or their squads advantage.

Observation on Morai:
PVE: "Need chi for vovo." *vovos until boss/mobs dead*. Repeat.
PVP: Only seen a little, but seems to revolve mostly around heartshatter/heartseeker/ionspike/battousi for melee targets, and heartshatter/blade affinity/gemini/staggering strike for arcane and LA targets.

Personally, I only got a lvl 80 seeker which I use for jollying these days, didn't find him as enjoyable to play. But I prefer to keep northern sky walz active on that guy at all times. Bonus damage is alway handy, and the def lvl reduction is a debuff that aids the entire party.

I love getting pissed when there are other seekers with me in the squad. Most of them dont use the shatters or use them when they arent needed. Many dont know how to debuff with stances since mine are Primal and it takes a little bit longer to debuff than it takes for someone who has the stance on and melees and they dont Gemini to activate debuff and keep overwriting me so i cant debuff. In warsong i saw seekers that just vortexed boss without putting any kind on debuffs on boss and during a pull and even when pulling 3-4 mobs they are acting like Vortex is the only aoe skill that they have.

These are a few examples of seekers failing to play their role in PVE on Dreamweaver.

OHH and the best one.. Seekers forgetting to buff themselves with their most important 33 def lvl buff(Adrenal Numbness) which separates them from other classes in the form of tankiness.

unrefuted wrote: »

QPQing for the seal is perfectly valid as a last resort..

As last resort, to an extent, yes. Let me tell you a story, certain endgame seeker was getting ganked and she sealed this poor archer with QPQ. Knowing her QPQ was on CD said archer popped BV & Arrow inferno on her and watched her drop. Had she not wasted QPQ like that, she wouldnt of gotten those debuffs in the first place.

as someone who's main is a seeker i have seen/fought many seekers who are incredibly strong to those who think seekers should wear AA since they do metal damage. seekers are strong characters yes but many don't see there true potential because they just click skills till they get a good hit in, seekers are the only class that has a cross skill combo. with the sword stances each has pros and cons, i notice a lot of seeker who once learn soulserver minuet they don't us anything else, which is a shame because it is useful on a group of mobs but on a single target the debuff is weaker than that of northern sky waltz. i have also met seekers who still try to debuff me with one or all 3 of the seeker debuffs, which written clearly in the description say sit will not work on players. now that frost is gone i think more skilled seekers will arise similarly to sins, because most were created so they could do mobs quickly. since that role is no longer needed the seekers that remain are like myself who want to play seeker for the class not just so they can power level that much faster. and for the seekers that don't use stance, excluding those who have primal skill, or those who use the wrong stance for the job, seekers are a more involved then other classes and ppl tend to get lazy don't learn there skills from the base up.