Splatted in bigroom

A couple of things missing from your original post....

(some may seem real silly but bare with me as each are important)

1. Were the captain mobs dead? (they can hf you and increase the damage you take, this can hurt quite a bit even with around 10k phys def)

2. Did you have adrenal numbness activated?

3. What level is your base? Did you have the major, or minor buffs on your seeker?

4. Your weapon also kind of matters as you need to kill the mobs as fast as possible without them pwning you by the time stuns/debuffs wear away from the mobs.

5. Did the bm stun? (He or she so should have done this even if you are a seeker, a full buff with captain mobs still alive can be quite dangerous when the main 'tank' isn't capable of handing the debuff + mobs.

6. If you were lagging that also could effect whether or not your effective in taking out the mobs.


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This is all I can think of atm... and while some of it may seem silly, each does play a vital role in the success-fulness of killing mobs like those.

I prefer use bladed fervor on my seeker, while I have a friend who prefer krav maga...

You could either choose to kill the captains first (there is 4 of them) so you wont get debuffed. It makes the mobs sooo much easier to tank. Ooor take use of your genie.
Expel should be useful as it makes you immune to physical damage while sealing you (the seal doesn't matter if your vortex already is up) just remember to target yourself before using it..
Absolute Domain (AD) makes you immune to everything, but doesn't last as long time. Captains will debuff you when their HP is getting close to half, so make sure to use it in time.

Personally I have AD on my genie and was using it before I was able to tank the full pull without trouble. I also prefered to wear parchedblade dance in case of vortex drops (it seems I was bad at keep vortex up back in the time lol), so I could do a fast stalagstrike to stun followed by darkcloud bolt and kite mobs if needed.

I have yet to have any problems with my seeker for the big pull, since level 80 when i got tt80 gear with or without a cleric. Those mobs dont hit hard at all even if you are debuffed by a captain. Try using a def blessing and apo wouldnt hurt. Your main problem is your low hp, def is fine.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhLRkAaeDnY

some of the comments are kinda funny o.o
"you need at least 70 FPS and a 100 or lowe Ping time"

a single Crab Meat Jiaozi can be used to make up for the expel at the 'initial take-off' as it replenishes HP really fast. Thus why back then we started at lv75 and above cause thats the lv when the crabs are usable

pull> crab>dew> vortex

Naughtymaz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

going splat is lack of skill, i watched a 90 RB seeker in full g16 +7 gear who could only handle one group w/out caps at a time, this to me screams fail seeker, i had a seeker that was 84 in tt 80 gear +2-3 on most things and could handle the full bigroom pull with just bp, and when a sin wasnt around just basic BB worked fine, so when seekers fail in BR it isn't gear or the healer it's lack of skill, most likely due to being an fc baby/ n00bt/\rd

This is just stupid. When a seeker uses Vortex and has BP, good gear and lvld skills, there are only 2 more things he can do - using pots (crabs, purify and maybe damage immune pots) and genie skills. Using vortex does not require great knowledge, it depends on the buffs you have, the pots you have and after all, what the others are doing.

Sure, you need skill to be a good player. But when youre sitting in vortex there are hardly things to do besides using certain pots and genie skills.

I remember doing my first pulls on my seeker when she was 82 with -7x mold set and TT70 sword. had like 4,5k HP unbuffed. I had vortex lvl 1 and besides AN nothing maxed. I didnt use any pots besides crabs and the only genie skills i had were holy path and cloud eruption.

I could pull the halls in 2 pulls, tanked Messenger without any help or heal and could tank the whole room of mobs with BP alone - with the captains.

And now, when shes 90 with very good gear, 6k HP unbuffed and lvl 88 gold sword + buff pills i sometimes die doing the big room. Even with AD i sometimes die, and usually it is not like i see my HP going down. Even full buffed, good HP, good skills and AD sometimes when the mobs reach me im dead in like 2 sec without even seeing any debuff.
Especially when people think "Duuh youre a seeker, why pulling the captains out? Cleric can IH, BM HF and the rest is up to you. If you die, youre fail :xxx"

Sure, there are things you can do to avoid those situations, but sometimes youre just unlucky or laggy.

Worked on this a bit more.

Dew of Protection; got some of these, didn't seem to be able to activate them after I'd started vortex.

Did fc incl bigroom with a squad of not-reborns, no healer. 'twas a bit tough at times but the main problem seemed to be lag - unable to run from SuperPowerFullSlash for example. Just couldn't stop toon auto-attacking and get it to move. I wasn't the only one who suffered.


I've since done a full bh69, unwined, with a decent healer. I was only tanky class in there so took point all the time. Absolutely no problems, so I do think that the dying in big room was a combination of lag and crit chains from the mobs.

mrcharlytoo wrote: »

Worked on this a bit more.

Dew of Protection; got some of these, didn't seem to be able to activate them after I'd started vortex.

mm yeah thus why i said to use a second or two before vortex. Need to time that but it lasts 20 seconds
basically you got 2 choices atm:

expel - can cast after vortex, lasts average 4-8 seconds, makes immune to phy dmg
dew - cast before vortex, lasts 20 seconds, greatly reduces phy/mag dmg

Domain also has the perk of being something you can chain with an immune pot... but if you're using apoth anyways, may as well just stick to the dews. And if all you'd use domain for was the invincibility chaining ability, you could also just use an anti-stun genie skill instead so you'd have energy left for something like frenzy or mire.


Essentially, I'm saying expel is better for big room pulls. Once you setup vortex, it shouldn't be too difficult to click your own portriat and tap the hotkey for it to get what's essentially invincibility for these purposes compared to Domain's shorter duration.

mrcharlythree wrote: »

6k phys def, 6k hp with base buff.
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two hits on mobs then I was dead.

People have covered the skill portion but aside from complete immunity to damage or severe reduction we have to acknowledge his defenses and hp.

All damage in the xp room is physical. The captains curse you to take double damage. There are 50 mobs in the room including the 5 captains, effectively turning it into 100 mobs. Vortex ticks every 1.5 seconds and will give enough heals to heal pretty much any seeker in 1 tick, you just need to be able to tank those 50 mobs doing double damage for 1.5 seconds.

They've suggested expel, which lasts 12 seconds I believe, and by then most the mobs should be dead anyways and whats left should be easy to tank. Dews last 20 seconds and the massive increase in pdef means you take very little damage, enough to tank the 50 mobs for the 1.5 seconds you need. But you want to do it without either, right?

Here is a crappy crappy seeker build. Its a mixture of lvl 70 and 80 gear with only +2 refines. It has flawless citrines with a max of 3 sockets. It has magic ornies, which don't really help you in the xp room. You said you had barb buff from base so I added a level 8 barb buff. You also said you had a cleric and bm in squad so I gave you level 10 bell and vanguard. I added nothing to vit and even have 80 stats unused. I have nothing from titles or meridians added. In other words, absolute **** with minimal effort.

Yet I still get a 5.8k hp seeker with 10.1k pdef. My point is you can easily fix this. Were you missing gear? Do your meridians and titles. Get +3-4 refines. Keep your gear at least sort of updated. Then follow other people's advice from here also and it shouldn't be a problem.