When to pass a spark, and to whom?
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Perikita - Raging Tide
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I occasionally pass a spark to the tank, or to the cleric if he has BB on, but I really don't know... Is there a way I can see who needs a spark? Or do I pass it as soon as I have it? Or, is it common that ppl ask for chi? I've had the latter one a few times and this is easy, but usually noone says anything, not even a thanks if I passed all my sparks as soon as I get them. What's the most reasonable approach here? And are there situations where I keep my spark (or my two sparks) to deal more damage?
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I don't usually get passed sparks, so I have no clue.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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It's really just best to ask. Or tell them to ask you if/when they want one.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0
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I occasionally pass a spark to the tank, or to the cleric if he has BB on, but I really don't know... Is there a way I can see who needs a spark? Or do I pass it as soon as I have it? Or, is it common that ppl ask for chi? I've had the latter one a few times and this is easy, but usually noone says anything, not even a thanks if I passed all my sparks as soon as I get them. What's the most reasonable approach here? And are there situations where I keep my spark (or my two sparks) to deal more damage?
It depends where you're at.
On your average boss i give 1 spark to the barb and the occasional spark during clearing mobs. You dont' need to spam sparks to the barbs all the time since they can work perfectly fine even without a veno. Mostly i do it to prevent QQ from them anyway (i got a barb myself and i know how much chi you use/generate *shakes fist*).
I only give sparks to the cleric if they specifically asked to do so or we're in a place where i know they'll neet to work with BB (Frost for example). You spark them after they set it up usually.
Same goes for archers if they have to work around with Barrage and need the occasional spark here and there.
If i'm squaded with a very offensively capable squad, i'll usually send a spark over to the BM so he can use his HF as much as possible.
You'll also need some extra chi once you hit 79 with 2 debuff skills. If the squad you're with doesn't seem very reliable it's also good to keep 2 sparks (or close to 2 sparks) for Brambe Hood. You definitely don't need to randomly spark people around on cooldown...chances are they are at full chi and you accomplished nothing anyway.0 -
Tanks can always use sparks, so if you're ever unsure, toss one to the tank, unless they're a demon fist BM. Pretty sure sins can generate chi like nothing else so they should be fine. Tossing a spark to a wizzie, psy or archer is a pretty bad idea unless the tank is damn good at holding agro. You shouldn't need to give sparks to a BB cleric unless the boss has an interrupt aoe, or they're using normal mana pots (you can tell if their mana gradually drops dangerously low). And passing sparks to a DD BM isn't always a bad idea if they're smart enough to put them to good use and use HF or Myraid (depending).0
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Clerics first though we can always use spark.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Tossing a spark to a wizzie, psy or archer is a pretty bad idea unless the tank is damn good at holding agro.I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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In TT a herc veno that is tanking can send sparks to DD. Otherwise send sparks to barb or a BB cleric.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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My rules of thumb:
If the cleric puts up a BB then throw them a spark so that they can put it up again if it goes down.
If someone asks for a spark and I'm not saving it then throw them it.
The big firey dragon effect is the BMs way of saying "I just used a spark", everyone else look for the spark eruption.
Some barbarians complain about not having enough sparks but don't have an obvious visible effect, so you pretty much have to rely on them asking.
Or remind them that they have a skill which is a damage shield (magic only) AND builds chi and they should be using it.0 -
When a barb attacks a boss, he usually does invoke spirit, which needs 2 sparks.
The animation is like a yellow lotus with a guy on top. When you see this, pass a spark if the boss is a hard one.
Always pass a spark to cleric when **** hits the fan, they may be a spark short of BB which can prevent a lot of squad wipes. Obviously if cleric drops BB while in combat for some reason, pass a spark immediately.
Don't pass sparks to DD's, you can DD well enough with your own spark. BMs can usually build chi quickly themselves, especially if fist BM.
If asked for a spark, gauge the situation before giving it. I have had lvl 8x wizards asking me, a very well equiped lvl10x veno, to pass a spark for them to DD.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
When a barb attacks a boss, he usually does invoke spirit, which needs 2 sparks.
The animation is like a yellow lotus with a guy on top. When you see this, pass a spark if the boss is a hard one.
Always pass a spark to cleric when **** hits the fan, they may be a spark short of BB which can prevent a lot of squad wipes. Obviously if cleric drops BB while in combat for some reason, pass a spark immediately.
Don't pass sparks to DD's, you can DD well enough with your own spark. BMs can usually build chi quickly themselves, especially if fist BM.
If asked for a spark, gauge the situation before giving it. I have had lvl 8x wizards asking me, a very well equiped lvl10x veno, to pass a spark for them to DD.
The only time a barb should use invoke right off is if its a world boss or one of the really hard hitting bosses. Any barb that has to open with invoke needs to raise their defense. That chi is better used for aggro.0 -
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Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »I have never ever ever seen a barb actually use this attack.
You probably have, just havn't noticed - its not an attack, but rather a 90% damage decrease. Many barbs start TT bosses this way, especially if the boss has hard hitting magic.
Anyway the skill is quite obvious, and generally you should pass a spark if you see a barb perform it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
You probably have, just havn't noticed - its not an attack, but rather a 90% damage decrease. Many barbs start TT bosses this way, especially if the boss has hard hitting magic.
Anyway the skill is quite obvious, and generally you should pass a spark if you see a barb perform it.
Fair enough. Rarely do barbs tank TT for me.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »I have never ever ever seen a barb actually use this attack.
As said by many others i usually try to pass spark after i see this:
1) to a barb after i see turtle go up
2) to a cleric as soon as bb goes up (just in case anything happens, they will have 2
sparks to throw it up again to save our skins) (
3) where BM is tanking instances/aoeing mobs so he can use HF as much as possible
4) anyone who requests it and i have any to give.
Only thing frustrating is when people want sparks and i have none to give becuase i love my nova b:pleased0 -
As a veno I tend to pass sparks to the tank unless asked; so every now and then I end up passing it to BM, or cleric... I know in FC most venos pass it to the clerics to put BB down faster. As a BM, I end up with sparks a lot, but then again I tank a lot, and most venos who team up with me do it. I'm always surprised when I have a random veno passing me sparks though...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I always pass sparks to the tank, regardless of the class, unless I know the cleric has to BB, then I ask first, see if the cleric needs sparks, otherwise, the tank gets all my sparks. This goes for all bosses and mini-bosses - anything that takes more than a few seconds to kill.
When I zhen with my cleric friends, I give sparks to them.
I only give sparks to DDs IF they ask, and if I have the utmost confidence in the tank (and with the people I usually squad with, I trust our tank with my life XD).Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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It's all situational. Lower level FF where they kill so slow: clerics will want sparks (if not 2 clerics to trade off duties). Some have Master Li's Technique, and other recovery methods. Some classes don't realize that we need sparks / chi for some things also (2 sparks just for parastic nova). Gotta love it when 2 toons are begging for sparks at the same time because they weren't thinking ahead. If only everyone would just get cloud eruption.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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I pass sparks in the obvious situations already mentioned: BB, barrage, turtle, etc. Otherwise I keep them unless you ask. If you don't need the spark badly enough to ask for it, then you don't need it badly enough for me to click the button. A lot of players don't seem to realize that:
a) I can't tell how much chi you have, and if I pass it to you when you didn't need it, the spark is wasted. I still lose it, you don't gain it.
b) There is a 1 minute cooldown on Lending Hand, and I only have 3 sparks total. I can't pass sparks to the whole squad every 30 seconds. If someone else (including me) needs it more, you're not getting one. Deal with it.0 -
Anyway the skill is quite obvious, and generally you should pass a spark if you see a barb perform it.b) There is a 1 minute cooldown on Lending Hand, and I only have 3 sparks total. I can't pass sparks to the whole squad every 30 seconds. If someone else (including me) needs it more, you're not getting one. Deal with it.If asked for a spark, gauge the situation before giving it. I have had lvl 8x wizards asking me, a very well equiped lvl10x veno, to pass a spark for them to DD.0
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I have a related question...
I usually toss sparks to the tank as soon as I get them on bosses. What I'm worried about though is that I don't toss them enough on TT or FB69 bosses.
Basically, if I keep casting Ironwod Scarab (the pdef debuff) as soon as it's available, it is practically impossible to generate another spark. That means that I could only toss out 3 sparks during the fight.
So my question is, for these bosses do I just forget about using Ironwood Scarab so that I can continue tossing sparks around?0 -
Armsman - Archosaur wrote: »I have a related question...
I usually toss sparks to the tank as soon as I get them on bosses. What I'm worried about though is that I don't toss them enough on TT or FB69 bosses.
Basically, if I keep casting Ironwod Scarab (the pdef debuff) as soon as it's available, it is practically impossible to generate another spark. That means that I could only toss out 3 sparks during the fight.
So my question is, for these bosses do I just forget about using Ironwood Scarab so that I can continue tossing sparks around?
you shouldnt have a problem with getting sparks from using it...
maybe ask the party? i'm sure everyone has a different opinion. also if there's a cleric in your party it'll be better if they used their debuff anyway provided both are maxed.[SIGPIC]http://i53.tinypic.com/k9ymnq.gif[/SIGPIC]
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Armsman - Archosaur wrote: »I have a related question...
I usually toss sparks to the tank as soon as I get them on bosses. What I'm worried about though is that I don't toss them enough on TT or FB69 bosses.
Basically, if I keep casting Ironwod Scarab (the pdef debuff) as soon as it's available, it is practically impossible to generate another spark. That means that I could only toss out 3 sparks during the fight.
So my question is, for these bosses do I just forget about using Ironwood Scarab so that I can continue tossing sparks around?
Like i said earlier, you do not need to constantly spam sparks to the tank. Usually 1 or 2 sparks per boss are enough. Barbs can handle tanking perfectly fine without a veno as well, an extra spark is just a convenience and not a necessity. They got a nifty skill called Beastial Rage which generates them some chi every time they get hit.
Also, at 79 you will get two Myriad debuffs that both require 20 chi which essentially means you use up around 1 spark per 30 seconds yourself for debuffing purposes. You cannot forget about Ironwood (or Myriads later on) for the sake of sparking someone all the time. They do not need it and you're gimping your squads damage output if you can't keep up with your debuffs. A spark at start and one inbetween if longer fight or barb uses turtle is enough.0 -
Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »Once you hit level 90, do Cube every day. You get a page of fate for finishing. 30 of them (one month) will get you one of 5 random level 99 skills, one of which is Lending Hand. So it's essentially free.
Wtf? Cube is an expensive boring time killer (far from free).Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
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Armsman - Archosaur wrote: »Basically, if I keep casting Ironwod Scarab (the pdef debuff) as soon as it's available, it is practically impossible to generate another spark. That means that I could only toss out 3 sparks during the fight.
Clerics get a pdef debuff which maxes out at 40% (same as Sage Ironwood), but it comes at the cost of lowering their pdef as well. So it can't be used in physical AOEs, and is rather dangerous when fighting multiple mobs. Barbs get a better pdef debuff (50%) but costs 35 chi every 10 seconds. It also reduces the target's attack level, reducing the damage everyone takes. If the barb can keep it up with you passing chi to them, you're better off letting them debuff while you spam chi-building skills.Wtf? Cube is an expensive boring time killer (far from free).
The only real expense I have in the Cube is do-all cards. And that's mostly because I refuse to PK in the PK rooms. I still have to skip room 47 (last 100 sec stand), but from what I hear it can be completed consistently in your high 90s and 100. Otherwise, the Cube is a nice way to make money.0 -
Barbs tanking a boss should NOT need sparks. Flesh ream, normal attack, normal attack, flesh ream is enough to keep them topped. Throw in alacrity/frighten/beastial rage or something from time to time and they'll have moar chi than they can spend. That is, unless they're spamming Devour which they shouldn't be next to a veno or a cleric.
However, barbs tanking multiple mobs with a DD party (lunar comes to mind) need sparks as soon as you can build them if they are to keep aggro.
If they're idiots and open up a boss fight with invoke spirit they should be bishslapped for wasting 2 sparks like that.
As for clerics, pointless to pass them sparks just because they threw up a single bb. Clerics build chi insanely fast in PvE; heals, attacks, debuffs, whatever we do generates chi. The only time a cleric should need sparks is if a boss has a bb interrupt skill (that WB near avalanche comes to mind >_>). Mobs in frost should drop fast enough to render bb useless (except for two or three rooms where its safer to bb).
In TT, if a herc is tanking a boss throw sparks to the best DD you got, usually demon archer or a high level wizzie so they can abuse sparks and ultis.
If a barb is tanking, odds are they'd steal aggro with constant sparking so prolly safer not to pass them sparks in that case.
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Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »If they're idiots and open up a boss fight with invoke spirit they should be bishslapped for wasting 2 sparks like that.
oh and in TT wiz is the most useless class imo, better to pass chi to better classes0 -
Lots of barbs also have little faith in clerics and want to reduce charm ticks so they open up with invoke.
I have seen invoke save some barbs actually - so I don't blame them.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Well perhaps the barb should learn to wait up for the cleric before rushing off towards the boss...if they wait for the couple stacks of heals, they won't have to use Invoke. s: Either that or ask if they are ready...and if not, oh well, their charm to waste and sparks.0
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