Heavy or light veno?

raizen wrote: »

I recently went heavy but I am not sure anymore..I am thinking ahead..like what weapon can i put or what armor.The idea was to get the best weapon and a decent armor on me.But I have problems adding points to attributes.I'm a lvl 51 with 155 magic 75 str 23 dex and 20 vit.So how should i set my attributes for heavy?..what will be the latest armor that I can wear?Is it worth it?Should i go on light armor?

To be any good, going heavy has to mean going arcane as well; if you do it right, you can wear both heavy and arcane armor your level, and can mix and match to adapt to your situation. If you only use heavy armor, you'll have massive physical defense, but your low hp and your lack of mag defense would gimp you. However, if you put the effort in, heavy/arcane gives you a lot of versatility.

The problem with heavy/arcane is that it takes a lot more effort than other armor choices. You not only have to get two sets of armor, but you need to find accessories that give you a lot of stat bonuses, and base your stats around those bonuses to give you enough to wear the heavy armor and wep of your level.

So basically, heavy/arcane is a good way to go if you have the time and money to put into it. If you don't want to hassle with the armor and stats, then light is a decently balanced and simple route to take, that will serve you well enough in most situations.

You have too much in strength and vit. your stats should be your lvl +4 for dex and strength. Means you have to cut down your strength to 55 and add to dex. You'll probably have to reset your VIT too to have enough points, since LA usually dont put attributes into VIT.

Byno - Sanctuary wrote: »

To be any good, going heavy has to mean going arcane as well; if you do it right, you can wear both heavy and arcane armor your level, and can mix and match to adapt to your situation. If you only use heavy armor, you'll have massive physical defense, but your low hp and your lack of mag defense would gimp you. However, if you put the effort in, heavy/arcane gives you a lot of versatility.

The problem with heavy/arcane is that it takes a lot more effort than other armor choices. You not only have to get two sets of armor, but you need to find accessories that give you a lot of stat bonuses, and base your stats around those bonuses to give you enough to wear the heavy armor and wep of your level.

So basically, heavy/arcane is a good way to go if you have the time and money to put into it. If you don't want to hassle with the armor and stats, then light is a decently balanced and simple route to take, that will serve you well enough in most situations.

<.< Not necessarily. But oh well, I shall be the onlyb:victory

And real heavy wearers put stuff in vit.

Personally with me, I'm a light armor hybrid. I use arcane but have the dex and str for light armor, but still retain a powerful mag attack.

I couldn't begin to tell you how I statted from level one, but I find its awesome. I won't put down the heavy venos, cause if that's how they like playing their characters, more power to them.

But as I've played an arcane veno and a light armor hybrid, I prefer the light armor above all.

LA Hybrid here. I tried playing robes... Too squishy for my taste, even in Fox Form... I like hitting things, so LA gives me a nice stat set to work with, and a nice bonus to Crits. Now... an HA Veno would have a lot more power, and a lot more defense, but as has been discussed many, many times, it is VERY gear dependent. Unless you want to put all that effort into getting the perfect gear, I'd honestly just go LA.

Chrysocolla - Harshlands wrote: »

You wont be able to wear heavy armour+magic wep your lvl if you add vit =/...

You are mixing the terms together. You are thinking HA/LA combined, a hybrid. Real Heavy means just heavy nothing else. I didn't say magic weapon use :P. Str = Melee weapon. I'm talking about a Melee Heavy build here.

But you might be talking about a heavy fox. However my build and the heavy wearing fox is quite similar. I can't help with the all heavy fox thing though...

My build is equip with axes (more durability that way) than a wand. If I have to heal my pet I switch to barehand or a magical instrument using shortkeys.

It's a very comfortable build for me and I can have whatever pet I want because I don't rely on them to kill things (only to help me kill things^^).

gah, I did the math for heavy/arcane hybrid once...gotta find it, but light was overall better. I'm light myself, I imagine it's saved my life more than once. I still use up a lot of pots if I send my pet after a mob and take another myself, but light armor makes it an option.

My understanding is that light is easier to level because in order for it to work you only need +1 strength/dex per level and +3 magic, so you don't need to depend on +stat bonuses on your equipment. But heavy needs those plus stat bonuses to wear up to date HA and arcane weapon/robes, which makes it harder to level as HA.
I would recommend leveling as light armor and then restating in later levels to heavy/robes; that's my plan anyway. I'm playing my first character as a light armor fox until I get to a high enough level to switch over to a heavy armor fox. I'm also contemplating using the insane amount of coin venos could get to experiment with builds instead of getting a herc right off the bat. In particular I may experiment with a human melee veno for a bit. But first I would like to know if when using that build it is possible to still use a current level magic weapon in case I wanna have some fox form fun.

_Lucivar_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

also i deleted one of my characters and the timers have finished but the character isnt gone? any people know what happens?

You can change it. You click on the character and it asks you if you want to keep it or not.

_Lucivar_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hey Kittennice m thinking of making a heavy melee veno for fun, where should i put my stat points each time, i was thinking 3str 1dex, 1mag and then every second lvl 3str 2vit would this work?

To be honest, I was mixing and matching. I really wasn't putting the same stuff from level to level and I wasn't writing it down much eitherb:surrender. Just enough str and dex for axes and health. Make it like a babr or axe bm. But you do have to put at least some into magic. Currently my mag is 60 and with even barehand I hit crits in the 5ks with magic. I crit everytime in battle. Dex should be high about the same as vit. Yes, you put vit to stay alive. You can try it out and see how it works. ^^

Use the calculator to help if you need it: http://pwcalc.ru/my/

I was basically testing it. One of the reason I wass so successful with this build is because others told me to restat and let my pet tank. Or to roll a barb or bm. Mixing the magic of a veno with a fighter like a bm/barb is very exciting. You don't sit back and watch the action, you're in it.

You do have to lv up your healing pet skill in case it needs help. Which is the beauty of this build also. It's fun because I can be in the action and have any pet I want by my side. I don't have to have a top of the line tank pet. I haz a pikachu >.<

I remember when I went into a TT. When I unstowed my Wilderness Lynux everyone was like "@_@ I've never seen that monster such a high lv before.". XD And that kitty takes the magic monsters so I'm balanced. I use a very low mag wep so I won't take aggro. Though sometimes I do in mag but that's fine since I have high health and I can just smack it with an axe or two. I always take aggro from Kilk but there is a cool way of doing a Switch-out. A cool tactic I created. If I use low lv claws my kitty takes aggro but when I use axes I get aggro. So by switching back and forth it confuses the monster, delaying it's attack. I usually do it on sacrifical mobs. XD

_River - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Personally with me, I'm a light armor hybrid. I use arcane but have the dex and str for light armor, but still retain a powerful mag attack.

I couldn't begin to tell you how I statted from level one, but I find its awesome. I won't put down the heavy venos, cause if that's how they like playing their characters, more power to them.

But as I've played an arcane veno and a light armor hybrid, I prefer the light armor above all.

so ur saying u dont use LA but ur build to use it?

Lailahh - Harshlands wrote: »

so ur saying u dont use LA but ur build to use it?

On the contrary. I use light armor mostly. I have only a few arcane armor items which help me when I need the added mag resist.

However, I didn't follow a build is all I'm saying. And I switch back and forth between light armor and arcane armor as the need arises.

thnx Kittenice ye i was thinking of just lvling the heal pet and revive and maybe tame pet, i wanted to use axes as i have a lvl 43 arcane veno and i am so bored of that char. like you said i want to get in the action and shake things up a bit xD

Kittennice, your build is very interesting. I am guessing that it is played using primarily the two venomancer heals, both based on percentage, the bramble abilities that reflect some physical damage, along with heal pet. Out of all of those abilities only heal pet uses the magic stat for anything. If the site I found is still up to date, max level heal pet will heal for 540 plus 30% of you magic stat. This means that your build will always have a weaker heal pet spell than other builds which try and have high magic.

For a better idea I compared the numbers using a magic of 60 for your build and a magic of 240 based on the 3x level amount of magic for an arcane build and taking 80 as the level.

HAHW: 540 + (60*0.30) = 558
Arcane : 540 + (240*0.30) = 612

So, the only ability that would really use magic is only marginally weaker than full arcane. Of course the difference would increase once bonuses from shards and equipment come into play but I am guessing it will never reach the point where a HAHW veno would be gimped by it, they might just have to give their pet a little more attention than a arcane veno would. That is very intriguing and has greatly increased my interest in this type of build.

I know that you can't really give a stat guide, Kittennice, but would you mind posting your stats and equipment (with bonus) so that I can play around with some more numbers. I would like to compare damage out put of your build to that of a HA fox because they should also have a substantial amount of strength but they would be getting the percentage bonuses from fox form and me lee mastery.

Anyone notice this in the patch preview?

"Fixed an issue where the Venomancer was unable to change into Fox Form while unarmed"