Hello fellow fluffy Venomancers.
The latest expansion has brought upon new changes in the game that includes an update to skills for all classes.
Venomancers got various updates or merges to their skills as well. In this thread I wanted to talk about Demon Redstone Venomworm (merging Demon Ironwood with Demon Blazing Scarab) because it's a special case. Whilst the Sage one is a no-brainer when it comes to updating, the Demon one is not exactly an update...it's, like I said, a special case.
I'm making a new thread about it because I don't want it to get buried in this thread. I was undecided on what to do and I think a lot of Demons feel the same way. Maybe this helps them decide what they want to do.
Skill descriptions. Demon Ironwood Scarab Range 27.0 meters Mana 175.0 Channel 1.5 seconds Cast 0.8 seconds Cooldown 8.0 seconds
Throw a splinted bug at the enemy, dealing Wood damage
equal to base magic damage, 300% of weapon damage, and 2770.0. Costs 25 Chi.
Demon version only has a 20% chance of success,
but will instead reduce Physical Defense to 0.
ΩRedstone Venomworm Range ?? Meters Mana ?? Channel 1.5 seconds Cast 0.8 seconds Cooldown 8.0 seconds
Fling a venomous sandworm at the target, dealing base
magic damage plus 300% of weapon damage plus3578 as
Wood damage. The worm burrows into the target for10
seconds, lowering its Physical Defense by 40% and
dealing 600% of weapon damage plus 6427 as Fire damage. Appears to last ~9 seconds. Costs 25 Chi.
Demon version has a 25% chance to reduce Physical Defense by 180%.
Note: The debuff icons are the same for both 40% and 180%.
Please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion/assessment. I tried to be objective but it's still going to be what I think. People may or may not disagree. Debates are welcome but keep them civil.
The overall assessment/review comes from my personal overall knowledge & experience, a few chats with other classes and how they see the debuff.
Edit 8.05.14: With the passive defence skills available, 180% is even less effective now. I think Ironwood's debuff remains really strong and becomes even better now because of the passives (possibly the best debuff). The downside is that it's proc rate is very low but that's something you're okay with anyway if you learnt the skill to begin with.With all this said, take this review with a grain of salt.
Reasons to upgrade to Redstone Venomworm. -You only PvE. In this case there really is no reason not to upgrade. The guaranteed 40% physical defence proc will give you a better place in farming squads, your physical DDs will be happier. -A lot of PvE, a little PvP. In this case maybe upgrading is the better choice for the reasons I said above. The Redstone is a really great skill for PvE purposes. -You do mostly group PvP (of any sort). In group PvP (including TW) the guaranteed debuff is pretty nice for your team mates, especially in a physical DD heavy squad. -You don't 1v1. Same reasons as above.
Reasons to keep Demon Ironwood (not upgrade). -You 1v1 a lot. Demon Ironwood's proc plus Arcane Antinomy is one of the best combos to kill the opponent and in some situations, it might be the only way to kill them (eg. they outgear you). -You don't want to lose Blazing Scarab. Blazing is a great skill to help with building chi in human form. It does hurt your chi making a little when you lose this. -Ironwood's proc is the only way to kill sometimes. Either for yourself or for your squad, Ironwood's 0 pdef debuff is the only way to kill enemies sometimes. It might be a person that you can't kill yourself because your DD is low or it might be a very tanky person with high physical defence (and HP) in the enemy team that your group is unable to kill. -Ironwood's debuff is the strongest physical debuff there is. Similar cases are above, the debuff is really strong and Redstone's debuffs are inferior to it. -It's difficult to tell which debuff you proc'd with Redstone. While there is a way to tell which debuff you have proc'd (watch the video), it's still not very noticeable especially in PvP when there's all sorts of flashy skills going on.
Overall conclusion/opinion: Don't upgrade to Demon Redstone Venomworm if you PvP on a regular basis. However, if you did upgrade and don't have time/money to change cultivations to get your Ironwood back, try to make the best use of your Redstone.