Oh my lord, you guys. I am really really shocked at how little our class discussion seems to span on the pvp side. and i did check the "PVP Ponderings" section too and it is all the same question - what is the best build for veno? f:confused like omg idk, how you want to play is what is best for you? f:angry
my reason for making this thread is to share and learn and absorb from other venos across the board on how to be strong and survive against other classes. 'cause i feel there are not that many good venos (sorry guys!) and i think it is because people feel that we don't DD well or we rely too heavily on the pet or something silly. both of these i would like to testify as false*. then other people tell me that it's because not many know how to play as it's a hard class. (oh uh i kinda cuss alot, i'll try not to)(i also use alot of parentheses (i don't mean to (sorry)))
so this post needs some organization 'cause currently things are going all over the place so for your benefit here: this will be organized as such - my not so nice introduction to y'all and then videos that have taught me or i find special. got it? great 8D
i'm arty and idky pwi thinks it's cool to capitalize my name? but it's not the end of the world either. i've been around since may 2009 and only been on dw. outside of pwi, i'm a finance and poli sci major with a background in media. i am relatively new to pvp actually. i was always afraid to even as first cast r9 but now i got no inhibitions, i know i'm gonna die. i play on a laptop with my a/d keys switched on, i don't click my skills (except genie), i rotate through the bars using v and `, and i use the laptop mousepad, not a real mouse. don't ask me how i play, i just do xD
sorry sage venos, i'm demon and you're welcome to reply with good things for sage but tbh, i don't know much about sage except that nova and lending hand have chances to keep your spark, you got lucky with the advanced fox form, you can get another spark from soul degen, your amp is 5% more than ours, and your purge has a pretty tiny aoe range. also the bramble is and uh sprint puries.
ehh other things about me and my playing style is that i used to be LA, a wannabe aps toon in all honesty, then i raged after a breakup and went r9 instead. then i became the first full r9rr veno on my server, can't say for certain on other servers but it was kind of a race between me and another veno which i don't think she even remembers setting up the race but it gave me the motivation to do it anyhow.
this is me: http://pwcalc.com/98677f75863da456
(so yeh you can see i am 1 squishy *** mthrfkr qq)
my goal is this: http://pwcalc.com/2d1bd48aa1c5156c
i'll be getting the gems in the next couple of weeks but calc doesn't show you i want the refined r9 ring, the nw cube neck, or dominance. and after i get those i'll be working on the eventual +12 and chicken stones for the next cast or rank or whatever.
i also value HA and LA as decent pvp builds, although uncommon especially LA but for me, i really do prefer being AA so naturally i only go to fox for a few skills. so if anyone wants to contribute over these things, you're more than welcome to! as my philosophy for veno is that there isn't just 1 right way to play this class which i think makes it difficult for people at times.
and i did check youtube for videos but nothing impressed me. except a few things which i saw somehow randomly.
this taught me something - i had never considered frost scarab to be of any use to me because i felt it was pretty fail leveling up and then i saw her use this and was like oooh. and it is actually quite cheap because so many other venos think the same, i got mine for 400k ikr xD so now i use this quite often once i got it demon -> frost, lucky, iron. will tick their charm for sure if not kill 'em. idc if it cost a spark, it will stop them from doing ****
this one i like 'cause in the middle of the video, she purges a spark. i love to do that but i never see other venos doing it. just the same old "purge barb" mindset ~_~' she also continues to use lucky and amp, i get why and i mean she can kill the person but could be more effective with other chains.
i haven't stumbled across any others and it's not like i've pilfered through heaps upon heaps because i'll watch some and it isn't anything i haven't done or considered so i stop watching. however, i would love to add more if they were brought to my attention or i might start making videos.
other things i can contribute are this and i do not see many venos doing these:
mo zun's taunt + chi burn + CRUSH VIGOR. so like about a year ago, there was a discussion about mo zun's taunt on my faction forums about how mo zun's taunt will work through invincibility (either pan gu or ig) and correct me if i'm wrong but it does for both. if you don't automatically realize what this means, it means alot of classes won't be able to do what they were just about to do. idk if this is news to y'all or not but i am only just recently seeing people stealing other people's chi. also this chain, as demon, i really love. not only did i just steal 2 sparks for 30 chi, i got another spark (potentially) from using crush vigor and each time they get a hit, they lose 12 chi (15 if sage), granted puri don't proc. and i should clarify that when i say steal, i mean take away 'cause i don't get the chi unfortunately. but steal is a 4 letter word versus 10 characters to write take away. it is divine to use on barbs for tw but i use this for anyone really.
can we also move past the idea of saving the purge for just a barb or cleric? or just using amp? and fyi amp and crush are both curses so they will overwrite each other, be careful. i purge everyone i don't like or feel needs to be purged. i really like purging too 'cause i find it funny when people lose their buffs. i know i am so mean xD and i may i mention also that i do love the range for mo zun's taunt?
and lastly my new favorite chain, brought to my attention by my old friend The__Sun, who had his friend Feone share it to him. i just made it better. now this is really specialized for demon venos/r9rr venos but can be augmented to however you play for sure, just think about it. ok so this does require alot of chi so be smart. bramble hood + blazing barrier = 115% dmg reduction (imagine in fox ) still hitting on you? hope for a puri proc/demon sprint/fortify -> feral (can feral in fox nowadays) still? oh my lord, now choose one that you didn't use last time and ig? hood should be free to use again (provided you got chi and you can at this point if you cloud erupt once you cast hood the first time) and by the time hood is over, barrier is free. this means you have 54 seconds of near invincibility (hood and barrier don't really count as invincibility...). if you didn't understand that garble here:
barrier first for cd purposes + hood (fox or not, your choice) erupt asap, wait 15 secs
summersprint -> feral, wait 10 secs
fortify + ig, wait 12 secs
hood again, 15
barrier again, 15 (ps if you die with barrier on, res as quick as you can 'cause the buff lasts through death )
also you can use transfuse at this point if you want 'cause you don't need a full spark to use. i actually used this in nw carrying the flag and someone pm'd me asking me if i was full jades +12 and i laughed, saying i was flawless citrine xD i didn't have to go as far as feral 'cause i got like 3 puri procs and capped. but still i use this alot now.
*this is from the very top, i didn't think it fit well in that paragraph of what i wanted to say but guys, we got lucky that our signature wep is the pataka. sure, at first, i was like "ew it's ugly and it's weird, doesn't give my girl a good posture and why the ** is there pdef on a wep?!" this was on my r8 pataka and i do remember LoCoWoKo (spelling) was like "your r8 why aren't you using the wep?" i told him i thought it was stupid and he didn't call me stupid in return but i knew he thought it. however, i eventually grew to like it! especially because we have the potential to hit higher than other mages. and if you do it right, you can. yes, i sat down with a wiz, mys, and psy and compared the matk (with r9rr wep +10 saph gems) we got the biggest range (as you should hopefully know) and if you peak 700 mag, your damage is so beautiful. and contrary to popular belief (popular being the fact that veno is like some dying race or people are just dumb, idk) that our hits are pretty consistent. when my r9rr wep was just +3, i would consistently hit for 10k on bosses, 4-5k on people. now that i'm +10 is naturally alot higher. secondly!!!! the pet thing, idky venos don't use their pets anymore or when they do it's to hide behind them. i think our "damage nerf" is because we have pets right? so use it as an extension of your damage and show that veno power. an old friend, Chibiusa, complained that people would kill the pets quickly but have you checked the new pet base buffs? can survive a bit more that way sure it is kinda expensive but it's worth it i think
so i think that is all i can think of on my own and like i wrote above, (i am like super longwinded and wordy, sorry....) i want to know how other venos play and use their class. i am always trying to survive and play defensively 'cause i know people don't like getting purged or having their chi stolen or hell, even dying to a veno but it's fun! so i write this in hopes that there are some other well-played venos, thank you for reading ^___^ and please do contribute f:flower