attack formula of pets

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Wicked Teeth (Armored Arrowfish before taming)

Tame stats at level 13 (taming level)
HP 410
PAtk 48
PRes 905
MRes 905
Acc 273
Eva 182
Atk 0.60/sec
Speed 6.8 m/sec

At level 35 (tame status):
HP 1070
PATk 345
PRes 2665
MRes 2665
Acc 713
Eva 475
Speed 7.0 m/sec

Atk growth, loyal status:

13: (did not record)
14: 68
15: 79
16: 91
17: 104
18: 117
19: (did not record)
20: 144
21: 159
22: 174
23: 189
24: 206
25: 222 (185 at tame)
26: 240
27: 256
28: 274
29: 294
30: 313
31: 333
32: 352
33: 374
34: 394
35: 417

Ecatomb - Harshlands

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I came up with a new idea so I'll try it tonight, if it works out I should be able to use just one formula for every pet and have attack within 0.2% (1/10 the margin of error it currently has). The idea I've got isn't as elegant as I would like, but it will work for now I suppose. However, I still think the way to ultimately go is a formula that can figure out exact attack from just current level, starting level, attack rate, and the attack growth.



Some suggestions for you when you make that page:
1. Convert resistance to damage reduction. Knowing a pet has 70% damage mitigation is much more useful than knowing it has X physical resistance. Alternatively list it in the form of damage taken as that's more understandable.
2. Allow for up to 4 damage skills to be placed on the pet for dps calculations.
3. Allow for the skill level of bash to be adjusted.
4. Remember to account for skill cast time when calculating dps. The cast time is 1.5, you can check some of my old threads if you need the methodology used to get the time.
5. For the sake of simplicity it's probably a bad idea to list every single pet like I did, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to include the lowest and highest level of each pet family as the highest have some advantages that make them worthwhile. An Ethereal Inamorato and Undine Mystic for example make great pullers, the Mystic is a good water pet you don't need to level as well.
6. Sort pets logically somehow. For example by air/land/water then alphabetically or something. Just some way that makes it less jumbled.

1. I think it's the same formula than for character, so will add it. Nice idea
2. Crazy idea XD
3. It's auto-adjust actually. But could be easily manualy adjusting
4. Cast time of skill is 1.5? 1.5 second or 1.5 atk times?
5. Will think about that, got actually 48 pet
6. Don't worry about that, will be done. I though about adding a selection for land/ranged/air/water pet (I think ranged could be nice)

Changing the display method for pet data. Actual method is too long to display stat of the 48 pet b:laugh

@Mayfly: thank you for these data, so at lvl100 we got:
Ocean Chanter 3038 2512 6594 6594 2364 1573 0.8 6.8
Wicked Teeth 3020 2929 7865 7865 2013 1341 0.6 7.7

Brael - Dreamweaver

Ecatomb - Harshlands wrote: »

1. I think it's the same formula than for character, so will add it. Nice idea
2. Crazy idea XD
3. It's auto-adjust actually. But could be easily manualy adjusting
4. Cast time of skill is 1.5? 1.5 second or 1.5 atk times?
5. Will think about that, got actually 48 pet
6. Don't worry about that, will be done. I though about adding a selection for land/ranged/air/water pet (I think ranged could be nice)

Changing the display method for pet data. Actual method is too long to display stat of the 48 pet b:laugh

1. It's the same formula so it's easy to do.

2. I'm not so sure it's crazy. The only two pets to routinely use only one damage skill are a herc and phoenix. Other pets such as magmites, glacial walkers, shadou cubs, and whatever else, regularly use more than one skill, because of the aggro. Even two skills would be good, and fits in easily with making bash level adjustable. Level 0=don't have, level 1-5=has. FR doesn't need calculated either just bash (it's less damage and aggro than bash) so it's fairly simple code wise.

3. That would work well. I can see auto adjust, but being able to see just how much of a difference you get from x level of a skill is useful.

4. Cast time is 1.5 seconds. During that time a pet doesn't put out any damage and melee swing timers freeze. Using my eldergoth marksman for example it has 3688 attack and an attack of .5/sec. When it uses level 5 bash it gets 7376 (3688*2) damage before physical resist is taken into account. However, it takes 1.5 seconds to cast bash and during those 1.5 seconds no melee damage is being done. Since the pets melee is 1844 damage/second (3688*.5) in 1.5 seconds it does 2766 damage (1844*1.5). So in reality of that 7376 damage bash adds, it would have done 2766 anyways bringing the actual damage added by bash to 4610 in 9.5 seconds (1.5 cast+8 cooldown) so 485.26 damage/sec.

5. Good to hear.

6. I didn't think about a range selection, that would be a good one to have.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Seamonster Guardian (Ebony Hellduke before taming), starting level 19
Tame status, level 19 stats:
HP 572
PAtk 203
PRes 1115
MRes 1560
Accu 350
Eva 212
Atk 0.80/sec
Spd 7.1 m/sec

Level 35 stats:
HP 1052
PAtk 488
PRes 2181
MRes 3054
Acc 643
Eva 389
Spd 7.3 m/sec

Attack growth, loyal status:

19: 243
20: 260
21: 278
22: 297
23: did not record
24: 336
25: 356
26: did not record
27: 398
28: 420
29: 441 (tame 368)
30: 464
31: did not record
32: 512
33: 536
34: 560
35: 585

I did a dark wanderer up to 35 the other day, and it appears the dark wanderer has consistently slightly better attack than the seamonster, 1 point difference at 19 growing to 4 points at 35.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Gnome saboteur (Fen Grave Robber before taming) starting level (17) stats at tame:

HP 432
PAtk 191
PRes 995
MRes 1193
Acc 317
Eva 269
Atk 0.50/sec
Spd 6.5 m/sec

Stats at 36 (tame status):

HP 907
PAtk 562
PRes 2261
MRes 2713
Acc 665
Eva 564
Spd 6.7 m/sec

Attack growth, loyal status:
17: 229
18: 247
19: 266
20: 285
21: 306
22: 326
23: 346
24: 368
25: 391
26: 414
27: 438
28: 462
29: 486
30: 511
31: 536
32: 562
33: 590
34: 618
35: 645
36: 674

Mountain Tunnel Digger, starting level (12) tame status:

HP 415
PAtk 123
PRes 903
MRes 695
Acc 213
Eva 156
Atk 0.60/sec
Spd 3.5 m/sec

Level 35 stats (tame status):

HP 1163
PAtk 561
PRes 2896
MRes 2228
Acc 596
Eva 437
Spd 5.7 m/sec

Attack growth, loyal status:

12: 147
13: 163
14: 180
15: 198
16: 216
17: 234
18: did not record
19: 273
20: 294
21: 214
22: 336
23: 358
24: 381
25: 405
26: 429
27: 453
28: 478
29: 506
30: 531
31: 559
32: 586
33: 614
34: 643
35: 673

Ecatomb - Harshlands

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I did a dark wanderer up to 35 the other day, and it appears the dark wanderer has consistently slightly better attack than the seamonster, 1 point difference at 19 growing to 4 points at 35.

Dark Wander isn't the Shadow Ranger?

Loyal status = with more than 500 loyalty?


Stat when lvl100:

Name HP Atk P.def M.def Acc. Dodge Atk/s m/s
Seamonster Guardian 3002 3291 6512 9123 1833 1108 0.8 8
Gnome saboteur 2507 3661 6525 7833 1837 1558 0.5 7.5
Mountain Tunnel Digger 3277 3912 8528 6560 1678 1231 0.6 6.5

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Yes, the Dark Wanderer is the tamed version of the Shadow Ranger, and yes, loyal status is 501-999 loyalty (atk * 1.2, exp gain * 1.5), tame status is ~200-500 (atk and exp gain * 1)

Cloud Skatefish, tame status level 22 (tame level) stats:

HP 544
PAtk 299
PRes 1295
MRes 1295
Acc 472
Eva 290
Atk 0.60/sec
Spd 8.1 m/sec

Level 35 stats (tame status)
HP 869
PAtk 586
PRes 2161
MRes 2161
Acc 754
Eva 463
Spd 8.3 m/s

Attack growth, loyal status

22: 358
23: 381
24: 405
25: 429
26: 453
27: 478
28: 505
29: 531
30: 559
31: 586
32: 614
33: 643
34: 673
35: 703

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

This should be the last tideborn pet you need data on.

Scorpiotail Voodooist, tamed at level 11
Level 11 stats, tame status:
HP 297
PAtk 76
PRes 635
MRes 761
Acc 218
Eva 132
Atk 0.80/sec
Spd 7.0 m/sec

Level 35 stats, tame status:
HP 897
PAtk 370
PRes 2235
MRes 2681
Acc 658
Eva 398
Spd 7.2 m/sec

Attack growth, loyal status:
11: did not record
12: 102
13: 111
14: 123
15: 134
16: 146
17: 158
18: 170
19: 183
20: 196
21: did not record
22: did not record
23: 240
24: 254
25: 270
26: did not record
27: 301
28: 318
29: did not record
30: 351
31: 369
32: 387
33: 406
34: 424
35: 444

Ecatomb - Harshlands

Cloud Skatefish:
lvl22: Spd 8.1 m/s
lvl35: Spd 8.3 m/s
No mistake about it?

Stat when lvl100:

Name HP Atk P.def M.def Acc. Dodge Atk/s m/s
Cloud Skatefish 2494 3904 6491 6491 2164 1328 0.6 8.9
Scorpiotail Voodooist 2522 2518 6568 7881 1850 1118 0.8 7.9

Got 59 pet now and I fixed the display, so will uptade the page on fansite soon b:victory

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Ecatomb - Harshlands wrote: »

Cloud Skatefish:
lvl22: Spd 8.1 m/s
lvl35: Spd 8.3 m/s
No mistake about it?

From this thread:

Level 22-24 skatefish stats

Level 33 skatefish stats

The skatefish has virtually the same speed (save possibly at endgame, as its speed growth is slightly lower) as a petite sawfly.

rinuruc

back from holiday - yes, im the "someone" who posted on ecatomb :-)

the formula i calculated for that phoenix is accurate,... for the people who know some maths, i just fitted a second degree polynomial in it. but still need to check where they round it. The residuals are below 1 in absolute value. The correct values for the coefficients a b and c i had that formula to get only a and b in it, so c comes from the tame level - attack. (begin-value of the polynomial).
a goes same for same atk-value on growth chart i guess. Maybe they work with 8digits for a and b.
That formula i got for the phoenix is very exact,... just need to figure a and b for other pets and figure out how a and b vary for other pets, (assumption so far is that A is same value for pets with same growthchart).

thx brael for re-uploading the sheet u had ;-)

btw can anyone sticky this???

Ecatomb - Harshlands

Web page updated:
http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/pet_database.php

Need to fix moving speed formula

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Whenever I try to change the level, it jumps back to level 1 (using Firefox 3.6.8)

Ecatomb - Harshlands

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Whenever I try to change the level, it jumps back to level 1 (using Firefox 3.6.8)

Got no idea from where this bug come ... I got it too.

Just change the level and clic outside, it's working ...

[Edit]It's fixed ^_^

Cocobelle - Sanctuary

Ecatomb - Harshlands wrote: »

Got no idea from where this bug come ... I got it too.

Just change the level and clic outside, it's working ...

[Edit]It's fixed ^_^

Sadly, I don't see the pet names. =/
I use Google Chrome, btw.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

I think a low level Undine should be added for a water DD pet for comparison.

Brael - Dreamweaver

Turtles have the best growth rate of water pets.

Finned Undines are 2
Legged Undines are 3 (my spreadsheet incorrectly states 4)
Mermaids are 2
Arrowfish is 3
Turtles are 4
Plumpfish is 3

The only advantage non turtles sometimes have is debuffs until you get up to the plumpfish which have the advantage of being leveled.

Ecatomb - Harshlands

Cocobelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sadly, I don't see the pet names. =/
I use Google Chrome, btw.

I see .... b:cry

Will try to fix that

[Edit]Fixed
Still got a little bug with Internet explorer (enter key don't change the level ...)

Ecatomb - Harshlands

Bug fixed with internet explorer too.
No it change stat of pet only if you click on "ok"

rinuruc

Ecatomb - Harshlands wrote: »

Bug fixed with internet explorer too.
No it change stat of pet only if you click on "ok"

theres no direct link on ecatomb itself to that petdatabase u made,... ;-)

Ecatomb - Harshlands

rinuruc wrote: »

theres no direct link on ecatomb itself to that petdatabase u made,... ;-)

Because I have some things to add in the database 1st

rinuruc

rinuruc wrote: »

ur data gives a=0.303738, b=9.542575, c=15.1847
n with that data, if i calculate for lvl 90, i find 3334.3 atk, and ecatomb says 3336
and for lvl 100, i get 4006.83 n ecatomb says 4008,... so with a bit of tweaking those data, ill find the exact values of "a" and "b"
(can do lots of more stuff like including the data from ecatomb, coz those r influential datapoints etc,... but i leave on holiday for a few weeks, so lots of preparing still to do, so wont be able to figure out much in the next weeks)

hehe,... a=0.303738, and if u put that up front, u get a polynomial where c=50 and b=31.42
apparently if u put that a up front, the b and c will be same for all pets or something like that??? (clickd on a bit through that japanese wiki and found something like that)

(c/a = 50 for scorpion,... exactly 50, thats not coincidence XD)
now i found out how comez u found that much info,... ;-)
(@ecatomb can u tell me what timezone u live in, and when ur usually online,... so we can talk a bit about it?)

Ecatomb - Harshlands

I live in europe, so I only login to find data on this server.

I'm using that for Phoenix:
a = 0.3717043314500942
b = 11.90230696798493
c = 14.72598870056504

That for scoprion;
a = 0.30366666666666664
b = 9.563333333333336
c = 14.999999999999886

And a/b/c aren't the same for pet ....

rinuruc

Ecatomb - Harshlands wrote: »

I live in europe, so I only login to find data on this server.

I'm using that for Phoenix:
a = 0.3717043314500942
b = 11.90230696798493
c = 14.72598870056504

That for scoprion;
a = 0.30366666666666664
b = 9.563333333333336
c = 14.999999999999886

And a/b/c aren't the same for pet ....

i was talking about a/b and a/c (fraction) that might be same for all pets or so,... ;-)
i live in europe too,... this is international server ;-)
(read ur pms)

rinuruc

you just used two values to calculate it with that parabola formula??? (taming level and level 100 from the japanese wiki?)
(i used all datapoints so mine should be a bit more accurate,... but they rounded too, so i guess it will be with some simple numbers that they work,... just got to find the rounding correctly)
(@ecatomb: read ur pms? (or send me a pm with ur xfire or so, so we can talk about it a bit? ))

edit1: (the japanese wiki is very usefull, just gotta click through a bit when ur using google translate, and u can find some formulas they figured out,... but they r also saying theyr formula is not 100% correct. They make a diffrence in first factor (the a) for when theyr 0.6 and 0.8 aps, for the diffrent growth-chart-values.)
edit2: or something like that,... didnt bother reading all of that japanese wiki, and the translations arent exactly 100% accurate too

rinuruc

so, ecatomb, can you explain a bit more about what formulas u use? (or give me ur xfire, or if ur atm online, tell me, and ill login on ur server)

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

One more Tideborn pet I forgot about:

Iceprison wraith, start level 18

Tame stats, start level:

HP 500
PAtk 153
PRes 1160
MRes 1055
Acc 303
Eva 222
Atk 0.80/sec
Spd 7.1 m/sec

Tame stats, level 30

HP 830
PAtk 316
PRes 2040
MRes 1855
Acc 503
Eva 369
Spd 7.2 m/sec

Attack growth, loyal:

18: 183
19: 198
20: 212
21: 226
22: 242
23: 258
24: 273
25: 290
26: 307
27: 325
28: 342
29: 361
30: 379

rinuruc

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

One more Tideborn pet I forgot about:

Iceprison wraith, start level 18

Tame stats, start level:

HP 500
PAtk 153
PRes 1160
MRes 1055
Acc 303
Eva 222
Atk 0.80/sec
Spd 7.1 m/sec

Tame stats, level 30

HP 830
PAtk 316
PRes 2040
MRes 1855
Acc 503
Eva 369
Spd 7.2 m/sec

Attack growth, loyal:

18: 183
19: 198
20: 212
21: 226
22: 242
23: 258
24: 273
25: 290
26: 307
27: 325
28: 342
29: 361
30: 379

x=level
y=atk
y=ax^2 +bx +c
a=0.2147852148
b=6.008991009
c=5.676323677

if u do level minus tame-level u can calculate the easier way with a and b only, so c comes out of begin-level-value, but not bored enough to do that right now,...
a=0.21 is interesting,... i guess low attack-growthchart? (dunno, still havent thought much more about it than i did last time,... should still figure out how it does that with the 0.6 aps n 0.8 etc, coz than the value of a should be diffrent from what it is for a diffrent atkspeed, due to the fact that A is the quadratic term, so it would make pets with 0.6 aps grow quadratically same speed as 0.8, so the 0.8 ones would be sick overpowerd, coz blablablabla - cant be motivated to type out more XD

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

Fairly low growth on just about everything.

rinuruc

soooo,... can this get a sticky please?