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How to survive this game without a Herc

_Twix - Heavens Tear_Twix - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
edited August 2010 in Venomancer
Ive always wondered how venos used to manage when the herc never existed. There was once a time when the Golem used to be "THE" pet to have...but as usual, if another one comes in that is significantly better then everyone is gonna want it, i just never thought that venos would be discriminated against if they never had one. When pwi came up with the herc pet..i bet they were seeing dollars signs right in front of their eyes. This is not a rant xD, just expressing my feelings :). I have tried to save for a herc, i made it to like 700 sof, but i dont know if i can continue b:surrenderb:cry. There are so many things that i need but cant buy cause im always thinking about buying sof and sof this and sof that. Another thing i hate is when persons say you can do it, just try your best and blah blah blah, when they bought their sof when it was worth 1k and 2k (yes...there was such a time).

My question is: underline the fact that i will EVER get nirvana gear (cant believe im even thinking about it and dont have a herc), underline the fact that i wont be of any use in TW other than a ragdoll for ppl with uber gear, underline the fact that i will have a hard time getting into squads for FF and other stuff..."is it possible to even be of some use as a veno in this game?" I have even seen people go as far as to say your a fail veno is you dont have a herc.


note: Hope this becomes a discussion

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  • MagicHamsta - Lost CityMagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    *sprays on anti-troll spray*

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    just kidding.
    >.<'

    Nah venos without hercs don't fails.
    And in TW venos should has nixes instead of hercs.
    xD
    Also yes you can be of use.
    Luring stuff and whatnot like in RB Delta.
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  • LadyBats - ArchosaurLadyBats - Archosaur Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Of course we can do things without the legend pets, i may not have credit due to the low level on my avatar, but i think i have enough knowledge from playing my main to answer this ^.^'

    Are venos with nix and herc great? Does the flaming chicken have the pvp equivalent of a well aimed nuclear strike in the form of flesh ream? Yep. But do we NEED them to get by and be decent? Heavens no.

    It is ideal to have the legend pets of course. We can tank TT with our golems if we know what were doing, it just takes longer and there's a few bosses we can't quite handle. But we can still manage to do enough to make millions of dollah's to spend on upgrading pet skills, refining and new gear. Herc just makes the above, easier.


    We can still hold our own just fine in TW/PVP. Petite sawfly with flesh ream on it is far less frightening than the flaming chicken, but it shouldn't be under estimated. Its happened in tw more than once, ive been lucky scarabed and during the small ammout of time a sawfly usually swoops in and flesh reams and makes short work of mah hp.

    Just my two cents

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  • Waterfal - SanctuaryWaterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Unfortunatly there aren't much "endgame" squads that will want a veno without a herc.

    The best thing you can do in this case then is squad with your friends. A friend of mine (barb) is annoyed if veno with herc in squad wants to tank bosses. (just how I get annoyed if a barb with a zeal lures)

    I gotta say I recently got my herc, and my god everything goes faster.
    A good way to make money though is running TT (with friends) and just selling the mats.
    Can dish out quite a bit of money in not too much time :)

    EDIT: Ofc a veno without a herc can be great too. Heck I've met veno's with hercs that was a blacklistneversquadwithagain and veno's without hercs that I will always love to squad with. The main thing is how do you play your class.
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  • Lythianaa - DreamweaverLythianaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,307 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    EDIT: Ofc a veno without a herc can be great too. Heck I've met veno's with hercs that was a blacklistneversquadwithagain and veno's without hercs that I will always love to squad with. The main thing is how do you play your class.

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  • tweakztweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Too much text when it really is just simple:

    Stick to World Quest, Crazy Stone. -nuff said
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  • LadyBats - ArchosaurLadyBats - Archosaur Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Too much text when it really is just simple:

    Stick to World Quest, Crazy Stone. -nuff said


    Yeah that's one fun game your describing there. A real waiting for a timer to ding online simulator, great fun.
  • Yulk - Heavens TearYulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Use your skills. I seen good venoes use even foxwings and even glacial walker and eldergoth. + there is rare pet skills that can be almost as useful for being able to be almost as strong as hercs.

    I remembered they said snow hares can't survive at level 40, that is false I tried out hare myself.
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  • tweakztweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yeah that's one fun game your describing there. A real waiting for a timer to ding online simulator, great fun.

    Yep and it's great fun having under equipped toons in a squad whether it's the 98 BM with Lv.80 axes, or the veno that thinks they're just as good without a Herc. It's bad enough that 9/10 don't even amp whether they have a Herc or not. If you wanna be lazy, why not play a Wiz? At least 99 out of 100 have a Herc. b:victory
    Use your skills. I seen good venoes use even foxwings and even glacial walker and eldergoth. + there is rare pet skills that can be almost as useful for being able to be almost as strong as hercs.

    Lol, no.

    If you wanna be lazy and focus on leveling rather than being a worthy contributor to your parties then please stick to the solo dailies and quit mooching off the rest of us.
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  • MANray_ - SanctuaryMANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    It certainly is posible to survive, and even thrive, without an herc. Yes, this will mean dealing with two things;

    1) Regular pets will never substitute for the legendary type. You must be aware that your role in a squad will be different and play towards your strenghts, which means more of a DD/support role. Choose carefully your pets and make sure to keep them properly skilled and leveled. Also be ready for some sacrifices. When tanking, it's easier for the herc'ed veno to debuff and attack while you play pet cleric to the herc so don't avoid this role even if unpleasant. Overall however i find the support role rewarding, and it's only against bosses that you'll have to slave taking care of the herc. Venos can tank even multiple elites with regular pets which does make you an asset in many scenarios, along with speed this makes you ideal for odd jobs such as finding lost squad mates or as an escort for squishies. Pulling is another area in which you can make a good team with herc'ed venos.

    2) Yes, there is something of a social stigma and you will find it harder to make squads. Most competent players however will be open enough to give you a chance unless there is a legitmate reason for requiring an herc. Most mid leveled BHs will not require one from you and there is such a thing as PQs as well as many other activities. It is mat farming instances where mostly you may find yourself unwanted, although in truth you shouldn't be worse off than many DD classes in this respect.

    As for "endgame" it may very well be that it has now become a requisite for any veno to have the legendary pets. Then again, your ability to make money at this level and the experience you have gained should give you better tools for acquiring them, and it's probably much easier to save enough coin at 9x. So really my advice would be not to even worry until then and to just have fun. There are bigger problems in this game that you'll have to get used to and become acostumed to if you're planning on staying for the long haul and only after you have become experienced in the game will you be able to judge if the effort is actually worth it.
  • volstvolst Posts: 180
    edited July 2010
    Actually cheaper to build a buffed glacial than to to buy a herc. Herc costs 60m+ and the 3 herc skills are only like 30m total.
  • tweakztweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    volst wrote: »
    Actually cheaper to build a buffed glacial than to to buy a herc. Herc costs 60m+ and the 3 herc skills are only like 30m total.

    It still wouldn't be half what a Herc is and would never replace it. It would be a total waste of coin and become obsolete in presence of a Herc. It's also pretty freakin annoying to try to target around them. They don't just kill slower: they slow me down as well! There are also much better uses for those buffs.

    Does it not get annoying all the venos that come here wanting us to believe they're not fail? A 13 yr old kid with no income and no CS'ing can acquire a Herc by Lv. 35. Nobody ever wants to admit to being fail. Sorry if that seems harsh, but getting a bit tired of fails coming into a squad and causing it to go slower than it would without them.
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  • volstvolst Posts: 180
    edited July 2010
    You know you can just shift+click right?
  • LenieClarke - Heavens TearLenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    A 13 yr old kid with no income and no CS'ing can acquire a Herc by Lv. 35.

    yeah, by making it their job to make coin in this game.

    i already HAVE a damn job. in real life, the latter of which i also have one of. slaving for expensive pixels for hours on end would make this game no fun, and i would quit playing it. that probably makes me "fail", but y'know, i'd rather fail at a 13-year-old's video game than at my real, adult life. YMMV.
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  • _Twix - Heavens Tear_Twix - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    why does everyone assume that anyone who doesnt have a herc, or...like me for instance says i want to try and play this game without a herc i get a lecture about how i have to realize that i wont be able to do this and i wont be able to do that...im not dumb, i know all the benefits of having a herc its just that something so good is sooo out of my reach and i can live with that, i just wanna know if i can play the game.

    @tweakz apparently my anit-troll spray didnt work. The funny thing is tweakz, you woudnt be saying the same thing if the herc never existed..dont complain cause that is a fact. Let me remind all of you the fact that TT's were never meant to be soloed b:shocked wow i bet you forgot... and venomancers got on fine without the herc pet. No dont read this wall of text, all you're proving to people is that you're an ignorant **** by replying b:chuckleb:cuteb:chuckle but then again thats what u really are
  • Dyskrasia - Heavens TearDyskrasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,161 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You can still play the game without a herc. It will be harder to find a squad later on, but as far as I know, there's nothing that absolutely requires a herc (other than soloing TTs). I don't run into too many hercless venos in my level range, but when I do bh for my 7x and 8x chars I hardly ever see any venos with hercs. Plenty of people seem to be getting along fine.
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  • _Twix - Heavens Tear_Twix - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    It certainly is posible to survive, and even thrive, without an herc. Yes, this will mean dealing with two things;

    1) Regular pets will never substitute for the legendary type. You must be aware that your role in a squad will be different and play towards your strenghts, which means more of a DD/support role. Choose carefully your pets and make sure to keep them properly skilled and leveled. Also be ready for some sacrifices. When tanking, it's easier for the herc'ed veno to debuff and attack while you play pet cleric to the herc so don't avoid this role even if unpleasant. Overall however i find the support role rewarding, and it's only against bosses that you'll have to slave taking care of the herc. Venos can tank even multiple elites with regular pets which does make you an asset in many scenarios, along with speed this makes you ideal for odd jobs such as finding lost squad mates or as an escort for squishies. Pulling is another area in which you can make a good team with herc'ed venos.

    2) Yes, there is something of a social stigma and you will find it harder to make squads. Most competent players however will be open enough to give you a chance unless there is a legitmate reason for requiring an herc. Most mid leveled BHs will not require one from you and there is such a thing as PQs as well as many other activities. It is mat farming instances where mostly you may find yourself unwanted, although in truth you shouldn't be worse off than many DD classes in this respect.

    As for "endgame" it may very well be that it has now become a requisite for any veno to have the legendary pets. Then again, your ability to make money at this level and the experience you have gained should give you better tools for acquiring them, and it's probably much easier to save enough coin at 9x. So really my advice would be not to even worry until then and to just have fun. There are bigger problems in this game that you'll have to get used to and become acostumed to if you're planning on staying for the long haul and only after you have become experienced in the game will you be able to judge if the effort is actually worth it.

    +1
    yup yup, about saving enough coins at 9x i was reading a post one day and a few people said that if a veno doesnt have herc by 9x there suspicious or lazy...and im like...heh not only are you fail if you dont have a herc but you're also fail if you dont have it by a certain level...wow (i dont believe this anyway xD), its just so weird that people can be this...thick in the head
  • Katzyn - SanctuaryKatzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I'll never have a herc, and that's just fine with me. I play this game to play with other people - I don't want to solo everything by myself, so a herc is superfluous for me. And I get good FCC squads; I and my rock can tank FCC bosses, and everyone's happy.
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  • tweakztweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    @tweakz apparently my anit-troll spray didnt work.

    The OP is a troll post, and you knew it hence the comment.

    This:

    "How to survive this game without a Herc"

    -is idiotic! It's better called: How to suck at game and carry on! What kind of idiot needs to be told how to survive this game without a Herc? -Check out the Wiz forum. -They're doing it!
    volst wrote:
    You know you can just shift+click right?

    That doesn't allow you to see what mobs were frozen by Nova and which aren't, otherwise I could also tab it.


    ..
    All this discouragement on veno toons getting their hercs just leads to more fail venos and ultimately the under rating of Venos (while BMs and Archers are largely over rated). The Herc is a scalable weapon / armor that has yet to show signs of obsolescence. While BMs and Archers have to buy the next best weapon (repeatedly) at almost the cost of a Herc (each time) to get in many squads. We get the free ride for having one at a one time cost! They don't nit pick our weapons, just the Herc.

    Maybe start a faction for underpowered players so you guys can go at your own pace w/o disrupting the rest rather than trolling this forum with nonsense.
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  • ApplePie_ - Heavens TearApplePie_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    The OP is a troll post, and you knew it hence the comment.

    This:

    "How to survive this game without a Herc"

    -is idiotic! It's better called: How to suck at game and carry on! What kind of idiot needs to be told how to survive this game without a Herc? -Check out the Wiz forum. -They're doing it!



    That doesn't allow you to see what mobs were frozen by Nova and which aren't, otherwise I could also tab it.


    ..
    All this discouragement on veno toons getting their hercs just leads to more fail venos and ultimately the under rating of Venos (while BMs and Archers are largely over rated). The Herc is a scalable weapon / armor that has yet to show signs of obsolescence. While BMs and Archers have to buy the next best weapon (repeatedly) at almost the cost of a Herc (each time) to get in many squads. We get the free ride for having one at a one time cost! They don't nit pick our weapons, just the Herc.

    Maybe start a faction for underpowered players so you guys can go at your own pace w/o disrupting the rest rather than trolling this forum with nonsense.


    i smell troll
  • _Surreal_ - Heavens Tear_Surreal_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,458 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Blarg~
    It burns~~~~






    just kidding.
    >.<'

    Nah venos without hercs don't fails.
    And in TW venos should has nixes instead of hercs.
    xD
    Also yes you can be of use.
    Luring stuff and whatnot like in RB Delta.
    >.<'

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  • Quibie - Heavens TearQuibie - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    The OP is a troll post, and you knew it hence the comment.

    This:

    "How to survive this game without a Herc"

    -is idiotic! It's better called: How to suck at game and carry on! What kind of idiot needs to be told how to survive this game without a Herc? -Check out the Wiz forum. -They're doing it!

    Only an idiot wouldnt be able to use their common sense and say "i guess she means surviving this game being a veno...b:surrender
    wrote:
    ..
    All this discouragement on veno toons getting their hercs just leads to more fail venos and ultimately the under rating of Venos (while BMs and Archers are largely over rated). The Herc is a scalable weapon / armor that has yet to show signs of obsolescence. While BMs and Archers have to buy the next best weapon (repeatedly) at almost the cost of a Herc (each time) to get in many squads. We get the free ride for having one at a one time cost! They don't nit pick our weapons, just the Herc.

    I'm not discouraged o_o...please don't hate me if i say this...but you talk as if you know every single venomancers/ the person playing the venomancer's situation...What if they really want a herc but dont think they can go up to it. It's up to the pro venos without hercs or even the ones with it to step in and say a herc is the best pet to have and it takes hard work to get it, but if you're sure you can't go up to it, dont feel as if you are gonna suck at this game majorly.


    I can tell you love your fellow venos and your just confused that they are not making the effort to get such an uber pixel gift and you want to see them looked upon as a class to be respected and such but i think you need to understand that not everyone is like you or not everyone can merchant good, or have the patience to farm mats for hours of the day etc etc.
  • tweakztweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Only an idiot wouldnt be able to use their common sense and say "i guess she means surviving this game being a veno...b:surrender

    How do you fail at this game? b:chuckle Please enlighten us on how you wouldn't survive?
    What if they really want a herc but dont think they can go up to it.

    Precisely the problem here. Let's plant negative attitudes so more venos fail to acquire the basics.

    It's up to the pro venos without hercs or even the ones with it to step in and say a herc is the best pet to have and it takes hard work to get it, but if you're sure you can't go up to it, dont feel as if you are gonna suck at this game majorly.

    It's not hard work at all. -13 yr old doing nothing other than being a merchant!
    I can tell you love your fellow venos and your just confused that they are not making the effort to get such an uber pixel gift and you want to see them looked upon as a class to be respected and such but i think you need to understand that not everyone is like you or not everyone can merchant good, or have the patience to farm mats for hours of the day etc etc.

    Then what is wrong with taking the label of "fail"? -Can't merchant/ cant farm: I'd say for MMO that that is fail considering ~99//100 venos managed to get a Herc by 90.. Do we not agree that acquiring XP is stupid easy? What then is the challenge? How else could you define fail?

    Do I have an ego issue? -No. I have yet to win then Nien Beast Event. I often forget to put pet in manual when luring. I sometimes hit the wrong button like un-summon Herc instead of Lucky Scarab. I know that people say I'm the best veno they know by far simply because I put in more effort: not because I'm better.

    I suck at merchanting, and I generally fail at other sources of income, but I still managed to get a Herc. It can't be that hard. Boo to the people that want to bring others down to their level, and boo to the OP who knew they were making a troll post. Get your legendary pets and don't let these losers who want to bring you down to their level dissuade you.

    There is no way to lose in this game: you're all winners! -YAY!
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost CityShadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Unfortunatly there aren't much "endgame" squads that will want a veno without a herc.

    The best thing you can do in this case then is squad with your friends. A friend of mine (barb) is annoyed if veno with herc in squad wants to tank bosses. (just how I get annoyed if a barb with a zeal lures)

    I gotta say I recently got my herc, and my god everything goes faster.
    A good way to make money though is running TT (with friends) and just selling the mats.
    Can dish out quite a bit of money in not too much time :)

    EDIT: Ofc a veno without a herc can be great too. Heck I've met veno's with hercs that was a blacklistneversquadwithagain and veno's without hercs that I will always love to squad with. The main thing is how do you play your class.

    cause few dumb, still in another official server they dont added the herc/nix and veno use golem in warsong too :P

    i know more ppl with full mdef/pdef/hp skill on golem on anohter server and there they are "more"(special, cause rare the rare pet skills in dragon palace event) than a veno with nix here or in pw my and still non uber skilled golem veno's too there dont was blamed, they have succes in pvp/pve too so they arent fail XD

    its just mentality question.
  • LadyBats - ArchosaurLadyBats - Archosaur Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Yep and it's great fun having under equipped toons in a squad whether it's the 98 BM with Lv.80 axes, or the veno that thinks they're just as good without a Herc. It's bad enough that 9/10 don't even amp whether they have a Herc or not. If you wanna be lazy, why not play a Wiz? At least 99 out of 100 have a Herc. b:victory

    Its just a game and if people dont wan't to have a herc, they are more than entitled to use which ever pet they want. Are hercs the best pet? Yes Does that mean we MUST use one? No.


    Theres a difference between lazy and treating this like a game, which it is. Some of us play to relax after a long day of stress or work or to vanquish boredom. If we have fun running around with off colour pets, its simple, just dont squad us, trust me honey, you wont hurt our feelings. So you have a herc and a nix and the best weapon and armor in the game and the best shards? Good for you. I guarantee i have just as much if not more fun than you do with my average armor and normal pets.

    So to re answer the original post. Can a veno without a herc do just as well as one with it. No. Can they get by fine and have fun. For sureb:chuckle
  • Shadowvzs - Lost CityShadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    If you wanna be lazy why not play a Wiz?

    wiz not really the cheapest classb:surrender
    i can be more lazzy with my archer XD
  • RawDawg - Heavens TearRawDawg - Heavens Tear Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    The people who have foolishly squandered their money and/or time to obtain something that only has value in a virtual setting now feel the need to belittle those who are strong-willed enough to resist that temptation, in an attempt to feel better about the choice they made. There will always be those who feel that wealth outweighs actual skill, or enjoyment of the game. In the larger scheme of things, who is really the "fail"?
  • tweakztweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    The people who have foolishly squandered their money and/or time to obtain something that only has value in a virtual setting now feel the need to belittle those who are strong-willed enough to resist that temptation, in an attempt to feel better about the choice they made. There will always be those who feel that wealth outweighs actual skill, or enjoyment of the game. In the larger scheme of things, who is really the "fail"?


    We're not discussing fashion or all class pets dummy.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost CityMagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    fail troll is fail
    *Sprays Troll-away-spray*b:bye

    Me tried to respond but LadyBat's Troll-away-spray be working.....
    and someone has replaced all the troll away with hamster repellent.
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  • Bridigan - SanctuaryBridigan - Sanctuary Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    What the thread title should have been:

    How to thrive in this game without a Herc

    I would say that I have thrived without one--so much so that I should eventually be able to afford a Herc, which will allow me to thrive even more. Even with a regular scorpion, I can service my faction as a DD/debuffer, and I know for a fact that they have been pleased with my work.

    Anyone can survive in this game, whatever they have. Thriving is a matter of knowing your class and having a little patience.
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  • Esuna - Raging TideEsuna - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited July 2010


    We can still hold our own just fine in TW/PVP. Petite sawfly with flesh ream on it is far less frightening than the flaming chicken, but it shouldn't be under estimated. Its happened in tw more than once, ive been lucky scarabed and during the small ammout of time a sawfly usually swoops in and flesh reams and makes short work of mah hp.

    Maybe of your HP, but against serious endgame players, even the Nix isn't that impressive. I've onehit high level Sawflys and their Flesh Reams tickle.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Gotta love the cash shop idiots.
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