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  • pervertkun#8781 pervertkun Posts: 2Member Arc User
    > @darthpotater said:
    > So the mechanic is to go away from the cocoon? I though it was the opposite. I remember being the cocoon 1 time and when I exploded I was dead with nobody near me. And I couldnt revive. Maybe I am wrong but well

    I think the mechanic is just healing the cocoon. I don't remember once being trapped while in healer build, but since I don't know if it's luck or supposed to be like that, I've put the alternative option.

    Also, a easier way to assign corners to party members is using the corner's colors (blue, yellow, purple and green). It gets a little less confusing.
  • tryingfeedback#2848 tryingfeedback Posts: 162Member Arc User
    edited May 11

    because the only ones who are beating it is 4x DPS and 1 heals party which is Not WAI lol, or atleast be able DPS the mimics

    Not true...
    not true anymore today you a bit late on response here yesterday it was 4x dps, then later like 5 to 7 hours later some really high end 3 x dps, dc and op beat same today in my party highend dps helping with the mimics making those go bye bye, but the mimics need adjustment and so do the golems , those 2 things can be toned down a tad as far as im concerned even after running it several times it is a major waste of time and effort with the condition it is in right now...
  • pariswinters#7118 pariswinters Posts: 508Member Arc User
    > @"tryingfeedback#2848" said:
    > because the only ones who are beating it is 4x DPS and 1 heals party which is Not WAI lol, or atleast be able DPS the mimics
    >
    > Not true...
    >
    > not true anymore today you a bit late on response here yesterday it was 4x dps, then later like 5 to 7 hours later some really high end 3 x dps, dc and op beat same today in my party highend dps helping with the mimics making those go bye bye, but the mimics need adjustment and so do the golems , those 2 things can be toned down a tad as far as im concerned even after running it several times it is a major waste of time and effort with the condition it is in right now...

    every mod theres a few elites who do the dungeon the first day and tell the rest of us "git gud, you can do it at 15k (ignore that i am 25k) with a good team, you guys just suck"
    i hate these people
  • drumon88drumon88 Posts: 141Member Arc User
    pantha7 said:

    The verdict is for now that the dungeon is unplayable ...you do need a tank in the party and you do need a healer plus 3 dps ...nothing more to discuss...also i was wondering ...average item level players (15k,16k,17k) how , i mean how are they going to reach 20k iL to play the level 80 endgame content....or the average player is only for the leveling stuff...

    ME gear, blue mount insignias, half the boons, SOME guild boons (not necessarily maxed), and R10 enchants will get you 20k. It's not a high bar.
  • tryingfeedback#2848 tryingfeedback Posts: 162Member Arc User

    > @tryingfeedback#2848 said:

    > because the only ones who are beating it is 4x DPS and 1 heals party which is Not WAI lol, or atleast be able DPS the mimics

    >

    > Not true...

    >

    > not true anymore today you a bit late on response here yesterday it was 4x dps, then later like 5 to 7 hours later some really high end 3 x dps, dc and op beat same today in my party highend dps helping with the mimics making those go bye bye, but the mimics need adjustment and so do the golems , those 2 things can be toned down a tad as far as im concerned even after running it several times it is a major waste of time and effort with the condition it is in right now...



    every mod theres a few elites who do the dungeon the first day and tell the rest of us "git gud, you can do it at 15k (ignore that i am 25k) with a good team, you guys just suck"

    i hate these people

    yea sitting at 22.3kwith 555k hp going LOL this needs some fixing nothing about git gud for sure lol yea it can be done but good lord i see some stuff thats just wasting peoples time
  • tryingfeedback#2848 tryingfeedback Posts: 162Member Arc User
    once you are able to get past first boss its alot more balanced from the seems of things
  • tryingfeedback#2848 tryingfeedback Posts: 162Member Arc User
    drumon88 said:

    pantha7 said:

    The verdict is for now that the dungeon is unplayable ...you do need a tank in the party and you do need a healer plus 3 dps ...nothing more to discuss...also i was wondering ...average item level players (15k,16k,17k) how , i mean how are they going to reach 20k iL to play the level 80 endgame content....or the average player is only for the leveling stuff...

    ME gear, blue mount insignias, half the boons, SOME guild boons (not necessarily maxed), and R10 enchants will get you 20k. It's not a high bar.
    yea reaching 20k is nothing
  • pariswinters#7118 pariswinters Posts: 508Member Arc User
    > @drumon88 said:
    > The verdict is for now that the dungeon is unplayable ...you do need a tank in the party and you do need a healer plus 3 dps ...nothing more to discuss...also i was wondering ...average item level players (15k,16k,17k) how , i mean how are they going to reach 20k iL to play the level 80 endgame content....or the average player is only for the leveling stuff...
    >
    > ME gear, blue mount insignias, half the boons, SOME guild boons (not necessarily maxed), and R10 enchants will get you 20k. It's not a high bar.

    all my pug alts are 20k...were 13k last mod.
    my main is 22k+ and unable to do this spiffy new gimmick dungeon
    20k for lomm is like 13k was for CR, it's a lie
  • tryingfeedback#2848 tryingfeedback Posts: 162Member Arc User

    > @drumon88 said:

    > The verdict is for now that the dungeon is unplayable ...you do need a tank in the party and you do need a healer plus 3 dps ...nothing more to discuss...also i was wondering ...average item level players (15k,16k,17k) how , i mean how are they going to reach 20k iL to play the level 80 endgame content....or the average player is only for the leveling stuff...

    >

    > ME gear, blue mount insignias, half the boons, SOME guild boons (not necessarily maxed), and R10 enchants will get you 20k. It's not a high bar.



    all my pug alts are 20k...were 13k last mod.

    my main is 22k+ and unable to do this spiffy new gimmick dungeon

    20k for lomm is like 13k was for CR, it's a lie

    yea 22.4k and being upset at ever other turn, even if you know your class and know the mechanics, its LOL
  • krumple01krumple01 Posts: 587Member Arc User
    edited May 11
    I have beaten the new dungeon twice and the first boss three times.

    You can use the method where no party members stand near the person trapped in the cocoon. This fight is all about DPS and HEALing. The cleric needs to be on top of it when the cocoon pops to quickly top off the person trapped. If you get them to 100% health the blast wont kill them at all, they will pop up from the ground and need a heal again but the party can fight on. If the healer is slow or the heals come too slow the party will wipe. Think of it like the crystal in CR but reversed and healing the trapped person. Get them to 100% health and the party will be able to press on.

    I have used this tactic successfully three times and multiple practices because the other factor is DPS, you don't need tanking at all peroid for this fight. The more dps you can squeeze into the group, meaning the "tank" goes as much damage as possible it will help.

    The dps needs to take out the mimics to prevent the golems from spawning. The golems harass the healer so the fewer you have the better.

    For the party minus cleric ~ must take out mimics

    For the healer (cleric) ~ must be ready to heal trapped party member in cocoon with as many heals to top them off.

    Thats it, kill more mimics, heal up trapped party member, damage boss, repeat..
  • tryingfeedback#2848 tryingfeedback Posts: 162Member Arc User
    edited May 11
    krumple01 said:

    I have beaten the new dungeon twice and the first boss three times.

    You can use the method where no party members stand near the person trapped in the cocoon. This fight is all about DPS and HEALing. The cleric needs to be on top of it when the cocoon pops to quickly top off the person trapped. If you get them to 100% health the blast wont kill them at all, they will pop up from the ground and need a heal again but the party can fight on.

    I have used this tactic successfully three times and multiple practices because the other factor is DPS, you don't need tanking at all peroid for this fight. The more dps you can squeeze into the group, meaning the "tank" goes as much damage as possible it will help.

    The dps needs to take out the mimics to prevent the golems from spawning. The golems harass the healer so the fewer you have the better.

    yes but not having the classes as stated at dungeon entry basically makes it pointless and tells you something is wrong, you say you dont need tank but when i was there took 28mill dmg as tank
  • tryingfeedback#2848 tryingfeedback Posts: 162Member Arc User
    edited May 11
    tho i will say i think they should increase paladins at-will dmg output so he can properly support his corner lol
  • krumple01krumple01 Posts: 587Member Arc User

    tho i will say i think they should increase paladins at-will dmg output so he can properly support his corner lol

    100% agree. Which is why I suggest the paladin dont even use any tanking abilities, just use anything that you can dish out burst damage to the mimics with.

  • vorphiedvorphied Posts: 1,696Member Arc User
    edited May 11
    What my groups are finding is that the tank and healer should have enough damage between them to handle their own mimic corner (even if a couple slip through, it’s fine, but no golems is still the goal). It is not necessary to run 4x DPS as long as the tank can hold Arcturia reasonably well.

    If the healer and tank are both on top of things, a lot of pressure is removed from the DPS, whose only job aside from burning Arcturia will be keeping mimics down. My successful parties have mostly been made of 20-23k characters; ilvl beyond that is almost entirely stat inflation that doesn’t do much of anything. Even additional
    Power makes only a tiny difference beyond a certain point.

    I still think the fight is overtuned for the average party, which IMO is an issue because the first and only new lvl 80 dungeon this mod should probably be slightly more accessible. Again, I think the difficulty spike should have been reserved for a follow-up epic trial in M17.
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  • drumon88drumon88 Posts: 141Member Arc User

    > @drumon88 said:

    > The verdict is for now that the dungeon is unplayable ...you do need a tank in the party and you do need a healer plus 3 dps ...nothing more to discuss...also i was wondering ...average item level players (15k,16k,17k) how , i mean how are they going to reach 20k iL to play the level 80 endgame content....or the average player is only for the leveling stuff...

    >

    > ME gear, blue mount insignias, half the boons, SOME guild boons (not necessarily maxed), and R10 enchants will get you 20k. It's not a high bar.



    all my pug alts are 20k...were 13k last mod.

    my main is 22k+ and unable to do this spiffy new gimmick dungeon

    20k for lomm is like 13k was for CR, it's a lie

    Yeah can't disagree there. A 20k healer might be able to get by with the right group but between the bugs and the health pools of just about everything I don't feel powerful enough even on my 23k main.

  • pariswinters#7118 pariswinters Posts: 508Member Arc User
    > @hercules125 said:
    > For a mod that purportedly was supposed to do away with the "1 shot kill", there is a lot more 1 shot kills from that first boss encounter than I've ever seen in any other dungeon. It's not just the red cocoon thing, which bypasses the 2 deaths and your out design, but also various attacks which killed several of us, including the tank.

    mod 16 has been nothing but lies and behind the scenes slider sliding
  • krumple01krumple01 Posts: 587Member Arc User

    krumple01 said:

    I have beaten the new dungeon twice and the first boss three times.

    You can use the method where no party members stand near the person trapped in the cocoon. This fight is all about DPS and HEALing. The cleric needs to be on top of it when the cocoon pops to quickly top off the person trapped. If you get them to 100% health the blast wont kill them at all, they will pop up from the ground and need a heal again but the party can fight on.

    I have used this tactic successfully three times and multiple practices because the other factor is DPS, you don't need tanking at all peroid for this fight. The more dps you can squeeze into the group, meaning the "tank" goes as much damage as possible it will help.

    The dps needs to take out the mimics to prevent the golems from spawning. The golems harass the healer so the fewer you have the better.

    yes but not having the classes as stated at dungeon entry basically makes it pointless and tells you something is wrong, you say you dont need tank but when i was there took 28mill dmg as tank
    im saying for the first boss fight you dont need a tank. The rest of the dungeon you will want one.
  • krumple01krumple01 Posts: 587Member Arc User

    > @hercules125 said:

    > For a mod that purportedly was supposed to do away with the "1 shot kill", there is a lot more 1 shot kills from that first boss encounter than I've ever seen in any other dungeon. It's not just the red cocoon thing, which bypasses the 2 deaths and your out design, but also various attacks which killed several of us, including the tank.



    mod 16 has been nothing but lies and behind the scenes slider sliding

    No one says that about the great and powerful Mr. Foss, no one.. (don't look behind the curtain)

  • schietindebuxschietindebux Posts: 4,108Member Arc User
    edited May 11

    > @hercules125 said:

    > For a mod that purportedly was supposed to do away with the "1 shot kill", there is a lot more 1 shot kills from that first boss encounter than I've ever seen in any other dungeon. It's not just the red cocoon thing, which bypasses the 2 deaths and your out design, but also various attacks which killed several of us, including the tank.



    mod 16 has been nothing but lies and behind the scenes slider sliding

    I feel like playing or working arround massively bugged content, like in the past and like in the future, nothing changed at cryptic products :)
    They will fix stuff... some day... or never, like allways.
  • arachnicidusarachnicidus Posts: 11Member Arc User
    So basically, 20k tank or dps characters shouldn't even bother with this dungeon. Just do your daily MEs and Zok Boxes to eventually get your 1k gear and run random queues for RAD. Wait for Mod 17 and hope things get better. How many players will even bother? Cryptic should probably just change their name to Cluster. ESO is downloading as I type.
  • jonkocajonkoca Posts: 2,488Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    We managed to (just) beat the dungeon today with a group all in the 21-22k range. If you can beat the first boss, you can beat the rest of the dungeon.

    A note though, there is a difference between a 21-22k dps toon wearing all the new ME gear, and a 21-22k dps toon wearing most of the old +3% buff gear from Ravenloft, and Chult. A mile of difference.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • pariswinters#7118 pariswinters Posts: 508Member Arc User
    > @jonkoca said:
    > We managed to (just) beat the dungeon today with a group all in the 21-22k range. If you can beat the first boss, you can beat the rest of the dungeon.
    >
    > A note though, there is a difference between a 21-22k dps toon wearing all the new ME gear, and a 21-22k dps toon wearing most of the old +3% buff gear from Ravenloft, and Chult. A mile of difference.

    which are you saying is better? the old 3% dmg stuff or the new "switcheroo" stuff?
  • pariswinters#7118 pariswinters Posts: 508Member Arc User
    edited May 12
    the dungeon is rated at 20k......and so far I see only 22k doing it with success.
    when i started this game CN was the endgame dungeon and it was rated at 9k, I was able to beat it at 8k my first try, it was tough and orcus nearly killed my "op tank" but i beat it......then TONG came out...with its 12k door rating. at 11k i did my first TONG, and again almost got slaughtered by Ras Nsi, but managed to beat it within less than an hour.
    CR came out with a rating of 13k and to this day i don't think any 13k's have had a reasonable chance of success there.
    at 15k you were still getting carried through CR.
    this new dungeon also comes with a false Illusion, that 20k is enough. It's not.

    they need to scale the difficulty down or the IL requirement up at least 2k
    (or, god forbid, actually fix the bugged 1st boss)
  • alamos#8020 alamos Posts: 6Member Arc User
    edited May 12
    They need to tone down the mimics/golems and fix the constant stat loss as well.
    In addition, the majority of players who complete this use the old demogoron gear with +% dmg on it. If you want to keep as is then add more + % dmg (I know the ebonized assault ring has it on it) items in undermountain.

    I am intrigued, are there any barbs or rangers out there who have completed this without using old gear and if so what your power you had doing this? (assume you have the correct stats in crit, arp etc)
    Post edited by alamos#8020 on
  • zimxero#8085 zimxero Posts: 252Member Arc User
    All of the requests to make LoMM a 22k requirement are a bit disturbing. I am at 21.6k because I choose to run old gear. Most players should be dumming down their gear as they approach max stats, to get better bonuses instead. I have most of the end game gear but I run with:

    Orcus Set
    Ring of the Shadowstalker +5
    Fearbringers
    Primal Assault Kohambos

    The only thing I have left is to upgrade r14 items to r15 and get a Legendary Triceratops (I'm running with the purple till I can come up with 20 million to buy the legendary.)
  • raziel2004#7353 raziel2004 Posts: 30Member Arc User
    I play cleric in LOMM and I can say Envenom storyteller journal really help with securing mimic for my corner with help from paladin. Double daily sure help alot.
  • jonkocajonkoca Posts: 2,488Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    edited May 13
    The +3% gear is much better than the new gear for damage, but keeping it means your item level seems lower than it really is. I have 2 swordsmen perks - bear kiuno/heels of fury for +6%, another general +3% from terrored grips. 5% from the spyguild hat. 3% from a new shirt, +2% from the fane chult ring. Total of 19% damage increase - which is the eqivalent of a massive amount of power - roughly 40k, and still my offensive stats are at cap.

    That is worth far more than the slightly increased power of the new armors. I just need an ebonized ring to take over a swordsman perk so I can swap out my boots, or a very lucky drop from fane.
    No idea what my toon is now.
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