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why so many 2x enchants?
thefiresidecat
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never thought I"d complain about too many of these events but once a month seems really high. the market is inundated with enchants. even adding another 2 weeks in between events would be helpful to letting the supply be evened out a bit.
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And your tryhard support players?
And your economy?
Seriously, you need to slow these down. You changed how AD flows into the economy with the account cap, increasing player reliance on marketplace sales in order to amass wealth. Now you are running these events so often that the RP market has declined 40%, reducing both the amount of AD being taken out of the economy through tradehouse taxes and the number of people posting RP up for sale. Our calendar only shows through mid October now and we still have 2 coming up.
We need this events to be like they were, every other month at the most, otherwise you are just destabilizing the market.
There are numerous ways to make money on the market ranking up enchants rather than trying to sell the base variants will still make considerable returns. Mastercraft raw materials still make fair prices and now with the new zone you can sell the blue level 490 gear and the +5 companion gear, further the fact these drop in those boxes will likely push the price of the companion packs north.
Dont see why there is a problem so still vote no!
but there is another one less than a month away. and there was one last month and the month before that an a full what two weeks of it before that. it's a holiday weekend. I get it. fine.. but another one next month too? it's a pattern at this point. every month.. it shouldn't be every single month
This should also provide a boost to the enchantment market, but I would guess that may be a few weeks away. Closer to the time most players get CR unlocked.
After the next one, I would hope it will go back to averaging every 6 weeks or so.
I think it’s fine due to the large amounts of enchants, artifact gear(including weapons), and alternate gear for loadouts which needs to be leveled up. If loadouts swapped enchants it would be slightly less of a reason..but again, gear in this game comes and goes so quickly that even if you we’re sporting all rank 14’s it would seem prudent to have a few extra enchants in the bank to accommodate stat fluxuation between pieces of gear. Know eventually I’ll be working towards that.
Yes, we don't like this many 2x enchants because it's devalued RP in the AH dramatically.
Yes, you love this many 2x enchants because you either don't have to buy RP or are able to buy it cheaper.
There's no middle ground here since one group wants more AD from sales and one wants more free RP.
A stack of emeralds was going for 50k AD like 6 weeks ago and now it's 32k. That's a steep drop and it's been pretty consistent across the board for all RP. We can see the pattern on calendar. Maybe it changes, maybe it doesn't.
But right now, this seems like another conscious decision to limit AD.
> I rather have one every 2-3 months, I have friends who are still gearing and need rp so I can understand the need for rp and ppl who like having them so frequently. It is wat it is, just have to make the best of it rn.
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> we've all had to gear up at some point or another and even when the events are less plentiful there are still ways to gear up. there is no such thing as a 2x refinement like it used to be where you had to wait for it to refine. then I could see it. but just having an event where enchantments are doubled should be no hinderance to gearing up if it is less often. there are plenty of ways to find refinement.
Definitely, on average I can get around 2-4k from green gear and wf. Just saying there 2 sides of the coin, I would prefer less frequent x2 enchantsenchants instead of having one every month practically. Hopefully it slows down but that just means I have to wait longer till this phase passes to sell my rp. Until then I can build up even more I guess.
> Why is it too much? Simply because it affects one of your avenues of earning ad isn’t really a reason.
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> I think it’s fine due to the large amounts of enchants, artifact gear(including weapons), and alternate gear for loadouts which needs to be leveled up. If loadouts swapped enchants it would be slightly less of a reason..but again, gear in this game comes and goes so quickly that even if you we’re sporting all rank 14’s it would seem prudent to have a few extra enchants in the bank to accommodate stat fluxuation between pieces of gear. Know eventually I’ll be working towards that.
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> it hurts everyone when the market is so flooded that everything is worthless. the market is not healthy.
The market is just adjusting, not unhealthy. This particular cash cow my not be as useful anymore..but let’s face it, rp for people who need it much less, has been pretty much, easy money. Sure it’s a bummer when this happens. But as a former middle man in the real world, you will adjust. Such is life and all that.
Thing is. At least personally..this increase in rp has made me spend more $, than ever before,on wards..and that my friend is probably the point of all of these things. By making leveling of gear outpace ad earnings(for some) it encourages zen purchases over ad->zen conversion. Again, not for everyone, but I’d wager their earnings have grown considerably in this area through this period.
Of course, things selling for less means sellers getting less and goes hand in hand with the 100k cap. Keep in mind that often enough when players get something, somewhere on the back end they are losing something else.
The quicker players rank up enchantments the quicker they get to the more expensive parts which require SMoP's, UES's, UMoP's and all the while requiring preservation wards... When things drop in value the sellers often enough complain and the buyers rejoice. Yin and Yang, they essentially both need each other though the buyers are the most important because w/o them, yea...
Buyers ought to be able to have their time in the spotlight by being able to get more for less just like the sellers want to have their time in it by selling things for more. Deflation is a good thing right, remember? In regard to RP prices dropping well there you go, or did you mean deflation only in regard to where you aren't negatively affected?... Subscription based play is a static cost for players and consistent revenue though in regard to players what can come with that is the looming shadow of "I have to get my money's worth" which translates into playing enough to satisfy it. With F2P a player can put the game down for a period of time, come back and not have necessarily lost anything, players can also earn their progress through play, yes it may take longer but there's no monetary cost attached to it in-game. If done right F2P games can satisfy both spenders and non-spenders and at the same time encourage periodic spending though what tends to happen is trying to heavily incline players to spend which essentially makes it all go to hell.
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if the market were cheaper to buy the stuff in the first place then having things sell at a lower price isn't bad. that's in line.
this glut of 2x enchants has been going on all summer far longer than the new ad refine changes. Personally i'd rather see a lot more 2x campaigns.
and it isn't good for prices to be lower on the ah vs higher for getting ad out of the system. the higher the price the more ad exits the system. other than that it's just trading hands. not being limited. this also doesn't just affect fat cats. selling refinement is one of the things lower level players also do for some cash.
I don't think this has anything to do with the economy. (why they're running it so much) I think they're trying to get people to buy more legendary keys. I think these farming events are probably very good for that but there are other things they could do that would have a similar effect. what if they did a 2x chance of good stuff to drop from dungeons weekends. if they alternated the events every month then the net effect on keys would be the same and the entire economy would be a little better regulated imo
It appears to me that all they have done here is redress the balance to that impact!
I have no desire to fund someone Else's gaming, because my former investments in RP have been wiped out!
Leave it as is
they made rp flow like water and the sheer amount you need is way less. there is no need for catching up. the only ones who need to buy masses at once are wallet warriors. if you are doing the quartermasters you should have more than enough rp to upgrade stuff and there is no need to wait on refining the other rp you pull from things like wanderers and dragonshoard anymore. you don' tneed monthly to refine your quartermasters. I barely have enough saved up in a month to make a difference.
it's silly and too much. I firmly stand by that. a couple in a row no big deal but it's been six months of every month.
Cheers
The cost to buy/sell on the AH/ADX isn't set in stone which is a good thing. When things lose their AH value (especially when having been maintained for a time) it understandably doesn't necessarily feel too good to the seller though if you put all your eggs in one basket and you drop it... The more sources of income the better, some take more/longer to get going to be consistently profitable.
In regard to the AH if things are selling low it's a buyer's market, if things are selling high it's a seller's market, the ADX simply determines how much AD/Zen you can get from trading. Those that "generously" spend money and or have sizeable AD reserves, high value items to sell, etc. have the upper hand especially with having the ability to buy up the lower priced items and repost higher for a possible profit.
Even if one particular part of the market deflates it's still a good thing, especially for those that take advantage of it. RP being down opens the opportunity for players to be able to buy more for less, what goes around comes around. The market is organic and it's just that things aren't as "synced" as they were previously (thanks to the exterior influences?) and a different kind of dynamic is present.
Even if the ADX dropped from 500 to 300 that doesn't necessarily mean AH prices will reflect it and if AH don't reflect it that will be a "bad" thing for people wanting to sell Zen for high value items though a good thing for those trading AD for Zen... UES's went from 800k+ to less than 200k and the ADX was around the same, back then 10 USD wouldn't have gotten you 1 UES, now it will get you about 4 of them... when the supply went up, the prices went down and was essentially independent of the ADX rates.
AD essentially only exits the system via the AH cut and WB, everything else is pretty much just changing hands/form. Personally would advocate for higher AH cuts depending on the post value, it would help curve some of the more exorbitant prices on things.
The thing about the 2x chances idea, although quite decent and depending on how it functions, the majority of players probably wouldn't buy LDK's but would essentially just use campaign/epic keys and you KNOW how things often go when it comes to a choice between Cryptic/PWE either giving the players something and not having their hand out or giving the players something while taking something away and or it costing them. More 2x campaigns sounds good though doesn't sound good for selling campaign completion tokens...
As far as the new RP system, getting artifacts/neck and belt to epic is now fairly easy/cheap. Disagreeing with " the only ones who need to buy masses at once are wallet warriors" statement, anyone who makes multiples of enchantments for other characters/does a lot of refining can be inclined to buy RP, WW or not. Even if a player run's QM's and now that running multiple characters doesn't provide the same rewards via RQ and on top of that QM's stop/slow producing after a while a number of player will be getting less QM bags due to them running fewer characters if not simply 1 which means less self produced RP for them.
Personally can agree with the economy statement, all these exterior influences to it just don't seem to be in favor of the players, as usual there seems to be a ulterior motive that will cost the players in some kind of way(s).
To anyone here, bring up a time where a change(s) were made and the player base benefited without a setback... not stating that it hasn't happened, just trying to make something more apparent. Overall the player base seems to only get things if Cryptic/PWE can profit from it some kind of way... A LOT of players complain about the "one step forward, two steps back" cycle.
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