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We should have more open pvp modules like Icewind Dale
kozi001
Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 876 Arc User
With all due respect.
We should have more open pvp modules. Like mod3: Icewind Dale was.
Greatest fun of mmo is killing your comrades and others whose are roughly on the same (low-level) than us.
The game is missing same great opportunity here.
Left friends from other games usually reporting to me how fun is killing others in open pvp areas.
-And I say What? You haven't even played domination with me at all here.
-Yeah but so funny to kill others. Especially players who thinks I am an easy target and attack me.
Nowadays lots of us has absolutely no motivation queueing pvp domination. Not really fun to killed by veteran pvp players from a single rotation.
The game is making so much effort for easy content for pve players(short easy dungeons,skirmishes, neverembers recruitment)
Why not easy but still fun challenge for pvp in the open?
I remember Icewind dale was fun. We had to band together with others to do dailies unless stealthy TRs would have killed us.
Still there are always some guys in IWD whose are killing each other.
I suggest every 3th or 4th module should be pvp module where you have to go do dailies in open pvp areas.
Shall I say names? Lots of mmo has succesfull open pvp(lineage, eso, bdo, wow etc).
We should have more open pvp modules. Like mod3: Icewind Dale was.
Greatest fun of mmo is killing your comrades and others whose are roughly on the same (low-level) than us.
The game is missing same great opportunity here.
Left friends from other games usually reporting to me how fun is killing others in open pvp areas.
-And I say What? You haven't even played domination with me at all here.
-Yeah but so funny to kill others. Especially players who thinks I am an easy target and attack me.
Nowadays lots of us has absolutely no motivation queueing pvp domination. Not really fun to killed by veteran pvp players from a single rotation.
The game is making so much effort for easy content for pve players(short easy dungeons,skirmishes, neverembers recruitment)
Why not easy but still fun challenge for pvp in the open?
I remember Icewind dale was fun. We had to band together with others to do dailies unless stealthy TRs would have killed us.
Still there are always some guys in IWD whose are killing each other.
I suggest every 3th or 4th module should be pvp module where you have to go do dailies in open pvp areas.
Shall I say names? Lots of mmo has succesfull open pvp(lineage, eso, bdo, wow etc).
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There are a huge number of games that are specifically coded for PVP and only PVP. Trying to bolt-on PVP into a MMO almost always screws it up.
Real good pvp players were playing domination. These type of pvp players could be handled. Every Mmo has pvp. Lots of Mmo has pvp as endgame content. Lots of Mmo has vast open pvp areas. Even the best Pve content is repeatable and becoming boring in time.
If there is no pvp content in the game you will lose a significant amount of players.
Open pvp could be coded to be unmandatory of course.
The fact that pvp is unbalanced is irrelevant when you get large[ish] groups of players pvping or ganking or zerging or fighting in general.
I have a fair amount of experience with non-consensual open world pvp in other MMO games and if you make it worthwhile, people will play it. I have said it before give players GMOPs+ for taking an active part... make it worthwhile and the players will play it.
TBH it would make a change from finding Jim's lost documents in that HAMSTER basement iver and over again
It's fun. And no-one is scared of pve monsters, but other players... some of them are scary. Even me ☺.
and something alike old Gauntlgrym between PVP and PVE missions.
just single option to request a PVP match instead of making anyone who enters a zone illegible to fight against you because some people abuse this if other person is AFK so always having a respance is healthier that means if they accept they should be responsible if they die
yes, press F to fight or pay 5 gold)) true banditry))
without interests noone will play, especially if you'll know who will win.
There are always trolls and gankers. So toons should be able to bring protection, either other players/guildies or hire npc goons etc. Or perhaps a player "hunts" option maybe. Allowing a group of lower ILs to try and bring down a serial pvp troll. Something like the wanted poster system, I dunno. Players/guilds post the handle of the troll on a noticeboard like the one the harpers used to use for foundry missions, and other vigilante toons would come along and take them out.
There's lots of ways to make this interesting.
Basically, pve purists can make a living, AD-wise, doing pve stuff. Crafters can make a living crafting. Pvp purists however, can't make a living with pvp, which has always been unfair. I'm not mean, just erm, chaotically inclined.
Thought I'd ask, rather than go off on a rant
A peanut butter and jelly sandwich is just fine being what it is. If you want a ham sandwich, get a ham sandwich.
JMHO.
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Areas like Ice Wind Dale with minor quests that can be ignored by players not wanting pvp would be fine
Also a mod specific to pvp usually kills the playerbase in an mmo: see DCUO mod 3, i believe that helped kill beginning playerbase in that game.
Why do you need "balancing" in PVE? Why can't the TR one shot things but be terrible with mobs? How do you "balance" a cleric with a GWF? The only considerations needed are group roles being valuable and being able to play all the classed during solo content. IMHO I would "fix" solo'ing through companions, maybe allow solo to summon more than one companion and groups continue to run one or maybe even none. Need extra healing, summon two healers. Need extra DPS, summon two strikers and you do the job of healing and buffing them.
IMHO, tweaking companions would be a far easier and eloquent way to fix solo issues as far as "balance".
ALSO make rewards decent so that it encourages lots of people to pvp, regardless of win or lose, GMOP+ from PVP once per day or something
When I was a wee HR back in the early days of mod 2, HRs were never taken into dungeon parties during DD hour because our core mechanic - roots - used to add springy vines to the feet of mobs, and the meta at the time was for CWs to blow mob-packs off cliffs to make runs quicker... mobs that would suddenly bungee-jump back into play because the lovable HR had inadvertantly rooted them. ☺.
99% of my PVE experience on the HR in the early mods was "HAMSTER off HR lulz you suxxx" so natuarally, denied access to dungeons and the gear they provided by elitist and inconsiderate pve purists (like you guys), I gravitated to pvp as a source of decent gear. The learning curve in pvp in this game is steep, I'll agree, not to mention littered with exploiter gankfests, and this was in the era of premades and pvp dedicated guilds all using teamspeak to coordinate themselves. And here's me in my blue gear with my zero understanding of nodes and backcapping lol.
Still, since pvp was the only place where no-one kicked me for inconveniencing their speed runs, I persevered. Practice makes perfect. I became pretty good at the whole pvp thing, and remain so to this day. I play and enjoy both PVE and PVP, and frankly, your whole "this pvp bolt on HAMSTER should be abolished" is offensive. Pvp players in the past contributed more in terms of real money to this game than any other demograph of players, we kept the lights on in neverwinter so you could trot through your dungeons wiping out brainless mobs and bosses for the umpteenth time for whatever new shiny you wanted. New shiny that you didn't even need, because obviously, to get the new shiny, your old shiny was enough to succeed.
This isn't pen and paper DnD. This is a video game. A video game with one of the best live rpg combat systems going even still. Pvp is fun. Pvp is the only area of the game where that new shiny you grind actually has a point. Where knowing your class mechanics, and the class mechanics of everyone else, what rotations do what, what to expect from other players, positioning, predicting, when to sacrifice yourself and take one for the team actually matter much more if you want to win a close match.
I never get why you guys don't realise that the pve content in this game, any game, is carefully engineered so that you can win. The odds are always stacked ultimately in your favour. No dev ever sat down and said "hey let's make this new dungeon just INSANE". The pve purist's only real enemy is rng. Pvp however, has no such guarrentees. If the other team is better, you lose, every time. No rng involved. Lol, or at least not before solo-q.
Everything you accuse pvp of, everything you accuse pvp players of, you yourselves are equally guilty of. Understand that if nothing else, and have some HAMSTER consideration for people with preferences other than your own.