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MOD 15 PVP BUILDS

etelgrinetelgrin Posts: 1,572Member Arc User
Hello,

Calling all veteran PvP players to share their experience by making PvP builds videos or guides, just use this thread to post your build vids. However please do not post underperforming bulds or suboptimal builds for any class. It would be best if people posting builds were experienced PvPers who know their class best. Post below, if we have many replies Ill update this first page of the thread.

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note to devs: first sec of the vid is broken GWF features.

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Pug Panther - PvP SW

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  • jonkocajonkoca Posts: 2,586Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    Pug, how much arpen is needed in pvp..?

    I run a U.dread atm, and have about 120% resistance ignored from arpen on top. I've a feeling that this is massive overkill.

    As far as I understand the max damage resistance any pvp toon can have is 80% (not including GF/OP/CW shield which is a separate layer). If this is true then I guess dread cuts this in half (tool-tip says 50% reduction rotal) to 40% DR.

    So, to do full damage I need enough arpen to overcome 40%. Arpen values are reduced in pvp by 60% as far as I know. So is my maths correct..?

    100% arpen reduced by 60% = 40.

    Not very difficult maths I agree lol.

    So I guess I can dump 20% worth of arpen. More considering my base damage is really high anyway.

    I ask this because when I inspect different toons in pvp, I see crazy differences in arpen. Without dread I'd expect everyone to push arpen up as close to 200% as possible if they have feytoiched or vorpal, but some toons run with it really low, some really high. Even the internet is confused, no-one seems to know the definitive answer.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • slysnow#2290 slysnow Posts: 110Member Arc User
    edited January 17
    > @jonkoca said:
    > Pug, how much arpen is needed in pvp..?
    >
    > I run a U.dread atm, and have about 120% resistance ignored from arpen on top. I've a feeling that this is massive overkill.
    >
    > As far as I understand the max damage resistance any pvp toon can have is 80% (not including GF/OP/CW shield which is a separate layer). If this is true then I guess dread cuts this in half (tool-tip says 50% reduction rotal) to 40% DR.
    >
    > So, to do full damage I need enough arpen to overcome 40%. Arpen values are reduced in pvp by 60% as far as I know. So is my maths correct..?
    >
    > 100% arpen reduced by 60% = 40.
    >
    > Not very difficult maths I agree lol.
    >
    > So I guess I can dump 20% worth of arpen. More considering my base damage is really high anyway.
    >
    > I ask this because when I inspect different toons in pvp, I see crazy differences in arpen. Without dread I'd expect everyone to push arpen up as close to 200% as possible if they have feytoiched or vorpal, but some toons run with it really low, some really high. Even the internet is confused, no-one seems to know the definitive answer.

    Max ArP is 160% in pvp (100%) but not all toons need it. TRs and HRs don't need to stack it high. If using dread there's no need to max out armor pen. Armor pen purpose is to pierce through defense but dread does that for you already.

    DR cap in pvp is 80% yes dread takes it down by nearly half however negation counters some of that debuff with its buff.

    To answer your question let's assume someone has 80% DR plus negation. I believe 80% was around 28k defense (28k is 70% DR and armor class gives 10%) when i use to run it. Dread cuts 28k by 50% down to 14k (dread reduces defense, which then reduces DR. It doesn't effect DR % only, and it does not lower DR from armor class).

    Negation builds its stacks from the new 14k defense which is a 40% increase which is roughly 20k defense (14000 + 40% = 14000 + 5600). Sp while dread and negation are in uptime, 80% DR is more between 50%-55% depending in armor class. At this point you need only 60% (120% RI) to pierce through. This doesn't take deflect and shields into account.

    James and i tested a lot on our CWs. We tested your exact question a while ago. Just look at your defense and DR while someone with dread hits you. It'll make more sense. We are on console though. PC has access to ACT or whatever it's called so you guys can get better information than we can.
  • iamthelastpiller#8155 iamthelastpiller Posts: 43Member Arc User
    edited January 18
    @jonkoca

    I agree it is really confusing.

    One thing to consider as Sly has pointed out above is that Dread does not reduce DR directly (aside from 5% on a crit), but it reduces a characters defense stat which gives DR.

    Ump. Dread reduces the defense of PVP targets by 45%. Once every 5 seconds, reduce target enemy damage resistance by 5% for 4 seconds when you land a critical strike.

    A lot of classes do not stack defense to have crazy DR levels, so it makes sense that high Arp even with Dread is important, especially if they get their DR by other means than defense.





  • jonkocajonkoca Posts: 2,586Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    Thanks to both of you for your answers. I discovered last night that if I dropped 4k arp from my axebeak... it made no difference whatsoever lol.

    I now have about 90%RI, and a lot more runspeed. Very happy.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • leonidrexleonidrex Posts: 394Member Arc User
    jonkoca said:

    Thanks to both of you for your answers. I discovered last night that if I dropped 4k arp from my axebeak... it made no difference whatsoever lol.

    I now have about 90%RI, and a lot more runspeed. Very happy.

    it depends on who you are aiming at, if i dont wanna be killed i can get 40% from negation, 30% from shield and 30% from ring while moving. putting me at 100% dmgres without even considering defence/armor class.
    against most with dread you wont need more almost any armorpen, gwf/tr/cw/gf/sw mostly lack any defence, and if they do have any its rarely more then 60-70%
  • jonkocajonkoca Posts: 2,586Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    I suppose, worst case scenario, I could swap axebeak back in, and swap SH boon too, for an extra 12000 arpen. But looks like 90% is good enough for the average match. Thnx leon.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • wdj40wdj40 Posts: 1,958Member Arc User
    lol a huge chunk of people I fight against and with wouldnt post their builds on here... Too many people abuse broken mechincs etc and wouldnt want to advertise that fact.
    Main - Rydia (HR70) - Xbox One Player only
    Alts :
    Storm (SW70), Edge (TR70), AD Farm (CW70), Grunt (GF70), Rosa (DC70), AD AD AD (GWF70), Your Mum (OP70)

    Member of Q-Snipe
  • leonidrexleonidrex Posts: 394Member Arc User
    wdj40 said:

    lol a huge chunk of people I fight against and with wouldnt post their builds on here... Too many people abuse broken mechincs etc and wouldnt want to advertise that fact.

    1 day after i posted my build in OP discord, i saw a guy using exact copy of it, exept he slapped broken HAMSTER like spinning coin on top. no chance im posting it again xd


  • wdj40wdj40 Posts: 1,958Member Arc User
    leonidrex said:

    wdj40 said:

    lol a huge chunk of people I fight against and with wouldnt post their builds on here... Too many people abuse broken mechincs etc and wouldnt want to advertise that fact.

    1 day after i posted my build in OP discord, i saw a guy using exact copy of it, exept he slapped broken HAMSTER like spinning coin on top. no chance im posting it again xd


    Yeah I know that feeling... When I 1st ran Archer in PvP last January I had loads of people laugh at me and send me abuse in chat. Then all of a sudden every Tom, HAMSTER and Harry starting running Archers :)
    Main - Rydia (HR70) - Xbox One Player only
    Alts :
    Storm (SW70), Edge (TR70), AD Farm (CW70), Grunt (GF70), Rosa (DC70), AD AD AD (GWF70), Your Mum (OP70)

    Member of Q-Snipe
  • jonkocajonkoca Posts: 2,586Member, NW M9 Playtest Arc User
    Same here lol. I started my archer build in early mod 13, got abused like hell for not sitting on nodes, or sitting on a pillar. Fun times.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • lauralijlauralij Posts: 7Member Arc User
    I play as a paladin, my name is Lion. Perhaps my videos will be useful to you .... https: //www.youtube.com/channel/UCK0E8Wtik4j2fZBuO7zpgOw
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