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Truth about problem of guild boons
dolrey
Member Posts: 741 Arc User
Hello. Here I would like to write some words about one theme which suddenly became very popular lately. Yes, I am talking about guild boons system.
The most incomprehensible (or maybe I would say suspicious) for me is that this system already exists more than one year and for all this time everything was fine. Everything was working right and everyone had no troubles with it.
I agree that something associated with access to guild boons for beginners should be done. But I suspect that most part of suggestions with asks to nerf guild boons or to remove them at all caused by selfish motivations. And looks like that someone just don't want to spend time and resources building their stronghold.
It's like: "Hey! Everyone around in PvP have lions but I have no. So give me it for free please or remove it from the game at all because I don't want to spend time or resources getting it." Something wrong right?
So what I would like to say in this thread. Dear developers please don't think that guild boons system is broken. It works fine. Just do something with access to guild boons for beginners and that is all. Thanks.
The most incomprehensible (or maybe I would say suspicious) for me is that this system already exists more than one year and for all this time everything was fine. Everything was working right and everyone had no troubles with it.
I agree that something associated with access to guild boons for beginners should be done. But I suspect that most part of suggestions with asks to nerf guild boons or to remove them at all caused by selfish motivations. And looks like that someone just don't want to spend time and resources building their stronghold.
It's like: "Hey! Everyone around in PvP have lions but I have no. So give me it for free please or remove it from the game at all because I don't want to spend time or resources getting it." Something wrong right?
So what I would like to say in this thread. Dear developers please don't think that guild boons system is broken. It works fine. Just do something with access to guild boons for beginners and that is all. Thanks.
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As for making them available to beginners, aren't they already? - just have to join a guild.
First of all, it hasn't been "fine for all this time", it's come up many times since Mod 7 dropped, though admittedly complaints had gradually slowed as people shut up, gave up, gave in, or got in. This is just the first time the devs actually responded.
Secondly, no one has recently asked for a "nerf" for SH boons and I haven't seen anyone ask for that in a very long time, though there were a LOT of complaints they were too good earlier on. I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask to remove them completely, except maybe before they were actually implemented. So your accusations of "selfish motives" are baseless since no one is trying to take away your boons.
All that said, your approval for some method of getting some boons access to "beginners" is basically all that's being asked for. The only points of disagreement may be the level of access, the method, and use of the term "beginner".
So, your fears and indignation are unfounded, and I appreciate your support?
I see this from both sides. My main chars are in a R20 guild, but I also have chars in our overflow (R14) and the guild I started the game in (R10). The R10 guild has been around since the start and people make no less effort than the R20, it just has way less active members. Forcing people to join big guilds to get into dungeons is not good design.
We also had a 15-16K DPS apply to join my main guild from another in our alliance, purely because we have a (completely useless in PVE) PvP boon building which will give him +500IL and allow him to get on dungeon teams.
High IL does not mean the character has to be stronger. It has always been a kind of pointless number for reference before boon has IL and after.
And some players don't care about having them at all. They're happy enough to only play main content, and never set foot inside an epic dungeon, and don't care one way or another about pvp. Apparently they're making life harder for the devs, too, because they have to be taken into consideration when planning content.
Removing guild boons would seriously annoy a lot of people. Making it easier for small guilds to get decent although not top tier boons would be I think a plus to the game. I suggested in another thread the ability to make a "small guild" with reduced max members, max level 16 and reduced costs, that would make life in a small guild much more pleasant.
My R20 guild (until some recent shenanigans) had the lowest level guild in its alliance maybe R17.
Like I said though, I don't think this is anything that should overly concern you or anyone else. No one is asking for removing or restructuring guild boons (and they shouldn't be), only to provide alternate means of access for people with little or none. I also haven't seen anyone asking for a free ride either. Alternate methods should not be remotely trivial, they should just be fully soloable. That is exactly the problem. IL snobbery and stats are used by most other players as the gatekeeper on whether you get to participate in later group content or not. 1500-2000 IL can make the difference on whether you get to run multiple times a day vs. once a week if you're lucky. You can get a little more slack if you're willing to be a support slave, but well, now you're just a support slave.
Try getting a guild past GH R8 or R9 with 3 active players, 2-3 semi casual and the rest super casual. Its almost impossible and every time we get a new active player they invariably leave for a bigger guild with better boons. Why? Because they want the IL so they can get into Tong and Cradle. Its not because the three of us aren't putting in a lot of effort but the guild progression is built with large guilds in mind and it is killing smaller casual guilds.
Yes, I could leave for a larger guild, but I have friends in this guild from 3-4 years ago.
At the moment with our piddly guild boons my Ilevel is 14.5K, very hard to get into tong runs on my GF. Even with my DC, I have to wait until there isn't a 15K-17K DC available. God help the one DPS in our guild, she has no hope.
I don't want guild boons nerfed, ppl have worked bloody hard for them. But I would like to see irrelevant guild boons removed from IL (like PvP boons for PvE play), and any movement / utility boons.
I also don't want to see ppl get uber easy access to boons and IL because that undermines all the work ppl have done.
Maybe have easier version of the dungeons, with lower IL requirements that you have to run twice as much to get seals etc.
There isn't an easy answer imo.
But I get fairly cheesed off when I see ill-informed ppl saying that others without maxed guild boons, that are lamenting a system that prevents them from being able to run end game dungeons etc, are lazy.
It's a hard problem. I don't think removing guild boons from IL will solve it. People will just start looking for 14K in big guild.
Most high-IL players know this, and are fine with a DO DC in their group having a lower IL than the rest.
I suggest you work on improving your friend list.
If future content is being planned to compensate for their existence...what's the point of having them?
- other than to compensate for the compensation?
There is nothing stopping a 14k party from finishing TONG in 15-20 minutes. There is nothing stopping a 14k party from completing Cradle. Max guild boons aren't necessary for completing any content in the game as it is, having these boons simply allows you to do it in a little less time or with a little more ease.
Itemlevel is just a tool to prevent people from trying to enter dungeons that are most likely above their capabilities, and those bars are set pretty low. As far as people asking for 17k+ or other such nonsense... I'd say they're just trashy people doing trashy things and they aren't worth your time. Avoid them as necessary.
In The Holy/Unholy Crusaders and across the entire Relentless Alliance no one asks for high itemlevels to run any dungeons and we're doing just fine. ... getting people to stop falling off the platform... thats a whole 'nother can'o'worms.
It is my opinion that the entire Strongholds system and all things tied to it is a very short-sighted system in need of adjustment and augmentation. But that is a topic deserving of its own
rantthread.And that is not something that suddenly appeared out of nowhere, that is something more then enough players tried to talk about to the Devs for a very long time.
Sure, there were some little changes here and there over the years, and sure if you devote every waking moment to grinding resources for your Stronghold, then even a small guild might get something together at some point.
But more then enough players probably just gave up trying to reach the Devs on this matter, and probably also stopped playing the game at some point as well.
Like i said straight from the beginning of the whole Stronghold project, a fully functional (all boons, market and so on) basic Stronghold should have been made achievable within a certain timeframe through resource gathered directly from the Stronghold itself and some Gold/Astral Diamonds from the players.
May be with the option to boost that process with some extra resources, so that large guilds would reach that point much faster.
And if someone wants more, then he can still either try to get more players on board, start grinding for the needed resources 24/7 himself or join a larger guild directly, but the basic Stronghold stuff should be very easy to obtain.
Also, this wouldn't take anything away from those big guild/alliances, they would still be the only ones with access to all ranks of the boons anyway.
What the hell... may be it's time to suggest that Stronghold boons only work inside the Stronghold area, perhaps that will wake a few up around here, and motivate them to look beyond the edge of their own plate.
I mean, there are allready companions/equipment buffs that only work in the Stronghold, just copy & paste this onto the Stronghold boons and call it a day.
No need for removing the Stronghold boons, just restrict them to the area they belong to.