kieranmtornMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 382Arc User
If you want to see it lag, take 2 BIS CW's down the long MOB filled halls in CN using Steal Time, Icy Terrain, COI, & Oppressive Force. If you don't run with a class that can multi-proc Lightning and don't have enough mobs engaged, you'll probably won't ever see lag (and for the record I have a pure Lightning myself, that I can upgrade to Trans when I want).
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kieranmtornMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 382Arc User
I normally have no problems with icy terrain. This is a map I normally have no issues with.
Did eToS with my CW yesterday, with another CW in party, I was using pure and he/she was using trans version. I noticed small lags with big mob groups, but i normally suffer these lags when we try to pull 2 groups or more for fast killing, so dunno how much lag add lightning ench here :S Might add a bit of extra lag but think not too much to be worried about.
It is obvious this is all about resisting change. Vorpal has always been king, Dread is like a rival to the throne. Lightning comes along and both rivals attack it. If it was not lightning, it would be something else. Just get a Lightning or not, no use trying to ruin other players' investment.
It's not even BiS, it's just fine against pack of mobs, falls behind against single target by Dread/Vorpal/Bilethorn and doesn't provide as much burst as Vorpal/Dread.
Being one of the king in a specific situation is perfect for an enchant such as Lightning.
However we could have asked a nerf to Vorpal back when he was ruling everything else because he was the king in every single situations.
I lag there without Lightning, Icy Terrain itself causes lag.
i dont care if something is op or not anymore hence i will stay out of this topic, but please learn to listen to other opinion. you will soon or later meet a metaphorical wall in real life otherwise.
After testing Lightning weapon on my SW, the damage has been reduced significantly. Only because both BoVA and DreadTheft now only proc it once per cast. Before the last patch I was getting equal procs to hits for both skills. Was this an intentional change or unintended consequence that can be fixed? It's pretty frustrating since I invested millions of AD and items worth millions of AD to up it to trans only to have it gimped into an unusable state.
It is obvious this is all about resisting change. Vorpal has always been king, Dread is like a rival to the throne. Lightning comes along and both rivals attack it. If it was not lightning, it would be something else. Just get a Lightning or not, no use trying to ruin other players' investment.
The day has come @defiantone99 , to agree with you and to actually post about it, How many modules vorpal has been arround and king of kings? Enough is enough, vorpal has not been nerfed and is still performing good. But...I am a fully BiS optiimised GWF and after playing since beta and using vorpal i switched to Transanscendent Lightning and i payed alot of money for it for a reason. The enchant is simply excelent with my 103k self buffed power build with steel blitz and still high crit sev, nothing can match it single target or otherwise, i outperformed any vorpal user for that matter while testing it these days all high end players. For the @c3rb3r3 Bilethorn ahead of Lightning? Just lol man just lol, it sucks so bad i cant even explain how bad the enchant is on gwf. So cry for nerf, XX mod`s vorpal was king the reign is over so cry even more, many just can`t afford it, and many just whine `cause they are used to it.
P.S As for the OP seems to me you can slot ICBM nuclear weapon in you slot and you will still get rekt and outperformed so check your build and facts. Over and out.
@blu3army do you have ACT logs from your single target fight? because as thefabricant shown in his ACT logs, the lighting damage come from the lighting arc that only procs between several mobs whereas its equivalent for single target (lighting burst) is absolutely meh. So except if GWF can proc lighting arc even on single target, I don't understand how lighting is BIS for for you.
I seen a comment above saying "So what if the CW benefits most from it". I agree with that statement 110%. Who took the biggest hit from the Lostmauth set nerf? The CW lost a huge % of their damage from that... Time for them to enjoy climbing the charts again! And no, My main is NOT a CW...
It is obvious this is all about resisting change. Vorpal has always been king, Dread is like a rival to the throne. Lightning comes along and both rivals attack it. If it was not lightning, it would be something else. Just get a Lightning or not, no use trying to ruin other players' investment.
The day has come @defiantone99 , to agree with you and to actually post about it, How many modules vorpal has been arround and king of kings? Enough is enough, vorpal has not been nerfed and is still performing good. But...I am a fully BiS optiimised GWF and after playing since beta and using vorpal i switched to Transanscendent Lightning and i payed alot of money for it for a reason. The enchant is simply excelent with my 103k self buffed power build with steel blitz and still high crit sev, nothing can match it single target or otherwise, i outperformed any vorpal user for that matter while testing it these days all high end players. For the @c3rb3r3 Bilethorn ahead of Lightning? Just lol man just lol, it sucks so bad i cant even explain how bad the enchant is on gwf. So cry for nerf, XX mod`s vorpal was king the reign is over so cry even more, many just can`t afford it, and many just whine `cause they are used to it.
P.S As for the OP seems to me you can slot ICBM nuclear weapon in you slot and you will still get rekt and outperformed so check your build and facts. Over and out.
Unforgiven GWF The Holy Crusaders
Imho, Lightning is great for large groups of mobs,with more power it brings you insane DPS, but for solo targets you need to get T. light, where it gets single target buff. Can't say for sure, but I believe that Vorpal is still better on ST (bosses), at least for gwf (I don't have a high end gwf, it is just from my experience as a DC inspecting people in FBI).
If you want to see it lag, take 2 BIS CW's down the long MOB filled halls in CN using Steal Time, Icy Terrain, COI, & Oppressive Force. If you don't run with a class that can multi-proc Lightning and don't have enough mobs engaged, you'll probably won't ever see lag (and for the record I have a pure Lightning myself, that I can upgrade to Trans when I want).
Hardware used(i4970k, 16gb ram, Nvidia 970, good local US network connection).
I've played with 2 DCs and a OP, all three with trans light, haven't seen more lag than usual, but the CWs got insane damage there.
Alright, I only have one word here, one simply can not compare Vorpal to new enchants by saying it is 28% damage increase without knowing the total combat advantage damage bonus + crit severity. Ty.
I will remain neutral in this discussion, however, here is a picture from ACT of what my CWs damage distribution looks like in mod 11:
I use Bilethorn on single target fights and Lightning on AoE. This log is over an extended period of time with the same group.
If Aura of Courage the way it works now (using the HP of each ally instead of the HP of the Paladin) is already a major part of the damage of one of the top DPS classes, just imagine how it will be when it is fixed, just imagine AoC using the HP of Paladin to calculate everybody's damage.
Paladin + Metallic Dragonborn + all HP boons and feats + gear + whatever = huge AoC damage
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Hardware used(i4970k, 16gb ram, Nvidia 970, good local US network connection).
Being one of the king in a specific situation is perfect for an enchant such as Lightning.
However we could have asked a nerf to Vorpal back when he was ruling everything else because he was the king in every single situations.
you will soon or later meet a metaphorical wall in real life otherwise.
end of moralization
But...I am a fully BiS optiimised GWF and after playing since beta and using vorpal i switched to Transanscendent Lightning and i payed alot of money for it for a reason.
The enchant is simply excelent with my 103k self buffed power build with steel blitz and still high crit sev, nothing can match it single target or otherwise, i outperformed any vorpal user for that matter while testing it these days all high end players.
For the @c3rb3r3 Bilethorn ahead of Lightning? Just lol man just lol, it sucks so bad i cant even explain how bad the enchant is on gwf.
So cry for nerf, XX mod`s vorpal was king the reign is over so cry even more, many just can`t afford it, and many just whine `cause they are used to it.
P.S As for the OP seems to me you can slot ICBM nuclear weapon in you slot and you will still get rekt and outperformed so check your build and facts. Over and out.
Unforgiven GWF The Holy Crusaders
do you have ACT logs from your single target fight? because as thefabricant shown in his ACT logs, the lighting damage come from the lighting arc that only procs between several mobs whereas its equivalent for single target (lighting burst) is absolutely meh.
So except if GWF can proc lighting arc even on single target, I don't understand how lighting is BIS for for you.
I've played with 2 DCs and a OP, all three with trans light, haven't seen more lag than usual, but the CWs got insane damage there.
Test were done on GWFs with 90%+ Crit chance and arnd 113% severity.
Paladin + Metallic Dragonborn + all HP boons and feats + gear + whatever = huge AoC damage