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feanor70118
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After 10-13 Svardborg victories with chests unlocked, every player is going to be at a point where he/she can refine his relic weapon to maxed level 59 and will have no use at all for blue or purple marks from chests. From what I've observed in drops, you can expect about 1 orange mark (out of the 30 needed) from every 4 victories in Master's Svardborg. That means 120 runs. That means 360 keys after we're forced to accept whatever garbage loot the chests give out. That's IF - and it's a bif IF - we get an even distribution of orange marks so the RNG doesn't stick us with 25 of one, 3 of the second and 2 of the third (by the distribution of purple marks I get from the Dread Ring this does not seem unlikely). That's 120 runs for the final increment of stats form relic weapons.
So we need several things here:
1) 1 legendary dragon key should open all three chests from a victory instead of 3 chests = 3 keys.
2) A choice between the chest's normal loot with blue and purple marks or some campaign currency that can go to buying the orange mark of the player's choice - say 4 chests per 1 mark. Or seals. 400 Protector's seals = choice of orange mark, 800 elemental seals, 1200 adventurer's seals, 300 seals of triumph for pvpers who'd rather not be bothered with PVE grinds.
3) A vendor to turn in orange marks for the player's choice of another - since for some reason the marks can't just be bought from the frakking campaign store or wondrous bazaar in some way that isn't designed to frustrate and waste the time of players.
4) Reduction in amount of frakking fish required to gain a reward. We hate fishing. It doesn't belong in the game. Act accordingly.
So we need several things here:
1) 1 legendary dragon key should open all three chests from a victory instead of 3 chests = 3 keys.
2) A choice between the chest's normal loot with blue and purple marks or some campaign currency that can go to buying the orange mark of the player's choice - say 4 chests per 1 mark. Or seals. 400 Protector's seals = choice of orange mark, 800 elemental seals, 1200 adventurer's seals, 300 seals of triumph for pvpers who'd rather not be bothered with PVE grinds.
3) A vendor to turn in orange marks for the player's choice of another - since for some reason the marks can't just be bought from the frakking campaign store or wondrous bazaar in some way that isn't designed to frustrate and waste the time of players.
4) Reduction in amount of frakking fish required to gain a reward. We hate fishing. It doesn't belong in the game. Act accordingly.
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Currently, every group is basically waiting for tanks and DCs unless you are lucky enough to be in a great channel or guild.
Maybe thats just me, cause I don't have 2-3 hours to wait in a group waiting for a DC/GF.
Translation: You can grind for about three hours/day with excruciatingly boring fishing and HEs.
Way to miss the point completely.
Theres both free and bought options, and the free option is game content which is diverse (though not entirely fun for everyone) but lets you take breaks from grinding the same trial to do something else, nor is it that demanding. getting 10 of each superior mark only requries you to get 10 rep of each faction. Thats 10 days of dailies, a mix of weeklys and HEs, and fishing/treasure hunting. All these things can be easily gained over a month or so.
The legendary version are only slightly better than 59, and they are not required for any content. So why the rush to get it? All I hear from the OP is that they are salty they havent gotten it within a week.
I've only been doing a few whenever I get on, and Ive got 2/3/3 superiors already. It's nothing like the linu favor's grind.
The only suggestion I would endorse, is to be able to trade 2 types of the same superior marks for 1 of the other ones.
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And what I've suggested is still more work than simply buying the marks you needed from the AH and wondrous bazaar like you could for your previous two or three sets of artifact weapons. So, yes, it does work that way and has until now.
I will never understand why you people argue in favor of badly designed and tedious system rather than something more sensible. Is it OCD? Some other form of masochism?
The runs aren't that bad with the proper group set up, and becomes more of a challenge to see how quickly we can get through it, which in itself is slightly more fun.
I am worried though about what will happen once most people have achieved their legendary weapons - the rewards are practically useless for anything else besides upgrading the relic weapon set. Unless you want to grind for alts, but that seems like added pain for me especially with the requirements to restore weapons in the first place.
I would happily accept a token reward system - it might mean less runs if your RNG is particularly bad. But the longevity of the trial ends with the weapon set. There should be another incentive to continue the trial once the weapon sets are completed. Not sure if the Horn of Valhalla drops here - I have seen the belt, amulet and friend rune drop though.
I would like to see a vendor that exchanges superior marks for another. This fish grind is killing me, so I ended up buying the keys. I will grind for the other factions support though, because doing the daily SOMI quests and BHE are at least tolerable. But because I don't mind grinding for the other factions, it means I only really need 10 Legendary Dragon Keys to open up the Elk Tribe (fishing) chests to pick up the Superior Stig marks when they drop, if I bypass completely the fishing grind (probably less, as I still complete the Fish Fry daily and get some fish/maps from that). 10 keys is 600 zen (510 with 15% off coupons or 255,000AD) which is worth the time and boredom saved trying to fish all that, IMO.
I know, that RNG is a HAMSTER, but something like a upgrade of 5 purple marks should be implemented. I would have to spent millions of AD, but I would at last have a realistic chance to get this done.
Allright, your question about my statement is fair, and I will respond to it in more mature manner than my previous post.
First: There is no reason to spend 360 keys on this, since you can peek and decline the chest contents, like with any other dungeon/skirmish/raid chest, except DR lairs, so you only have to spend 30 keys per weapon piece, assuming you only do Master Svardborg, and only take contents when the chest is containing a mark you need.
Second: It's not that I don't have faith in the forums, this is a matter of picking your battles. The drop rate on these mark, are the most reasonable of any other sought after item in this game, by far, and I say this even if I don't get them nearly as often as others from my guild, or maybe they just play it more than I do.
Third: The fish. I don't think I read your first post well enough last time, because I can't recall seeing that. This I will fight for. The return rate on fish, is abysmal, and the absolute main reason I HATE this fishing piece of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> bull <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
Fishing for an hour, to only be left with half a campaign reward point, is so insanely frustrating I don't even know how to express it properly.
Lastly, I do agree with a lot of what you and others say here, especially with the longevity of the raid. Heck, making the marks unbound would probably fix that, at least for a while, if not permanently. Iirc, there's no vblood reward from Svardborg. If so, that should probably be changed.
However, if they decide to keep marks locked behind Master Svardborg victories for a couple mods, and then make them more publicly available, that'd be fine too. The weapons are excellent at purple quality, and further upgrades would for me, only be about personal satisfaction of having completed something, which in this case I see no point in losing any sleep over.
It's a game. Don't forget to have fun with it, even if it means you have to delay, or even forfeit, your BiS status.
You needed marks of power, union, stability for artifact equipment upgrades, and no marks of potency at all. So your sources are Dread Ring lairs, invoke boxes, and potentially lockboxes. I'd say an average of ten runs of a DR lair should net you an epic mark, and since they can be soloed in a matter of minutes, it would not be that hard to collect the needed items.
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The WB doesn't factor into artifact equipment upgrades at all.
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Same deal with the +5 rings, and the fbi relic pieces. I can fight any enemy in neverwinter, but the rng. There should be an alternate method to grind this stuff, even if it's a choice of x piece after x runs.
As For FBI, I did get a few campaign keys for my GF, but kept getting garbage, so now I only run it to get friends in to mSVA, and can't quite understand people who actually bothered with the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> they pulled on the double RNG on the chest, combined with the really really really really terrible drop rates on relic gear, and to be honest, I am a little annoyed at those who did.
Here's why:
Everyone agreed it was a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> move, both voninblood and double RNG, but kept running it, making it look like a huge success amongst the player base.
If we actually used our consumer power, and avoided that place like the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> hole that it is, they'd be forced to take out the double RNG, and maybe even that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> voninblood <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. But no, we have to grind for BiS gear, and hate it, like idiots.
No offense ment, I guess it's only human nature to aim for the best, no matter the cost.
- Guildmate made 103 Runs for his last legendary mark
- Mate from FL made 150 runs, 3/3/2 ( Yes....thats really all he got..)
- Another Guildmate made 160 runs and got all marks he needed
And one of my best buddies quitted this game after he made:
- 458 runs in eDemo, no legendary ring
- 168 MSVA, 4/3/1 legendary marks
- 800 lockboxes, no legendary
- 93 FBI runs, still 1 set piece missing
Now he rage quitted this game, cuzz this RNG suxx. And tbh: I understand him.
I think the idea to change 2 legendary marks for 1 mark you need is a great idea. Can be done in FBI too, i geuss.
I did 37 MSVA runs and got 2/1/2 marks and no legandary ring. Thats not funny anaymore, its just dumb grinding...
But I don't agree with number 2. Any 1.6k toon could buy orange marks to upgrade BIS weapon to legendary by just running ELOL and KR..or even a 2.5k toon running CN/ETOS, even worse, farming seals of adventurer in Cloak Tower, no please, not fair.
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