AD -> Zen exchange, no listings?

uzala

Whats that all about, can it really be that no one is selling Zen or its some kind of bug?

thefabricant

defiantone99 said:

There is more demand than supply right now. You make an order and have to wait.

Just like the good old days, back when we had dungeon variety.

sorce

thefabricant said:

defiantone99 said:

There is more demand than supply right now. You make an order and have to wait.

Just like the good old days, back when we had dungeon variety.

Without the Dungeons, or the variety.

lonewolfmk1

Dont be cruel. At least we got the leveling Dungeons, that everyone wanted!

linaduin

At least we beat the bots - it was all worth it.

kvet

linaduin said:

At least we beat the bots - it was all worth it.

yup. If you say it enough, you'll start to believe it... I mean, look at Cryptic - I bet the management team chants that 100 times every morning..... along with "We know what we're doing" and "We care what the customers want"

wildfirede

they will soon have to chant "we have customers" as by my estimation the playerbase is up to 20% ermmm automated now (based on a screenshot topic that dissapeared with 20*40 guilds wihlth recruitment specialised in mages)

dfnce

Welcome to situation of 2014-2015, when you had to wait about 10-15 days for zen exchange.

reposterz

I have around 250+ zen before the exchange went into overdrive, I rather not sell my Zen and hope exchange rate comes down... its not cheap to keep buying 500 AD for 1 Zen, let us hope that Game Devs make this game still feasible for free to play concept.

randomloot

> @morenthar said:
> The exact reason why this is happening is due to the Jubilee being right around the corner.
>
> It's not lack players. The game is far from dead, contrary to the opinions of the same people every time. It's people exchanging their in-game fortunes for Zen in anticipation of 50% off.
>
> The sale has not been confirmed but it is probable.
>
> The ability to make money in-game will not be the downfall of this game. It will be the lack of content and a really bad cash shop.
>
> Look at the demand a potential sale is producing. Zen Store prices should be cut in half all of the time. Then people would be getting closer to a fair value and volume would go through the roof.

Just one small thing -- Zen was easy to get during Black Friday last year when they ran 50% off sales and everyone knew in advance then, too. It didn't even peg 500 the way it has now. I was able to snag Zen at will during the event. The only thing stopping me was not wanting to burn through my entire AD cache. That was before Cryptic started making more "adjustments" to the in-game economy.

That, along with removing the coal ward and pres wards from the bar store. We're just looking at the end result of what those changes finally led to (and which people had also warned about) with the Jubilee sale hint finally pushing things into the red.

As @dfnce put it, welcome back to 2014 - 2015. At least until the event is over but that would mean being optimistic.

zibadawa

morenthar said:

The exact reason why this is happening is due to the Jubilee being right around the corner.



It's not lack players. The game is far from dead, contrary to the opinions of the same people every time. It's people exchanging their in-game fortunes for Zen in anticipation of 50% off.



The sale has not been confirmed but it is probable.



The ability to make money in-game will not be the downfall of this game. It will be the lack of content and a really bad cash shop.



Look at the demand a potential sale is producing. Zen Store prices should be cut in half all of the time. Then people would be getting closer to a fair value and volume would go through the roof.

Cryptic's business strategy is based off of high-pressure sales and impulse buys. Time limited coupons, weekend sales, etc.

yokki1

kvet said:

linaduin said:

At least we beat the bots - it was all worth it.

yup. If you say it enough, you'll start to believe it... I mean, look at Cryptic - I bet the management team chants that 100 times every morning..... along with "We know what we're doing" and "We care what the customers want"

and "it is not the server's fault. it is on your end".

unthoughtknown

zibadawa said:

morenthar said:

The exact reason why this is happening is due to the Jubilee being right around the corner.



It's not lack players. The game is far from dead, contrary to the opinions of the same people every time. It's people exchanging their in-game fortunes for Zen in anticipation of 50% off.



The sale has not been confirmed but it is probable.



The ability to make money in-game will not be the downfall of this game. It will be the lack of content and a really bad cash shop.



Look at the demand a potential sale is producing. Zen Store prices should be cut in half all of the time. Then people would be getting closer to a fair value and volume would go through the roof.

Cryptic's business strategy is based off of high-pressure sales and impulse buys. Time limited coupons, weekend sales, etc.

Like most businesses?

lantern22

1.2mil Zen requested at 500AD.

vinceent1

why are you suprised. people have probably plans buying wards for the next half year

silverkelt

There is actually never a good reason to sell ZEN, people who sell zen actually lose money every time.. EVERY time.

Doesnt matter if its at 464 or 500.

There are some poeple who buy zen and resell at higher pricing, floating the economy to make a profit, but they dont buy real money zen, they just convert AD to do it over and over (while its floating) those people are stuck until pricing come down again.

But to ACTUALLY buy zen and sell it, its the worst retun in the game, even at 500 to 1 ratio.

silverkelt

ITs not far from dead because they have ps4 and xbox, on the PC side of things, we have much fewer playmates to spend time with.

If they were left to rely on income from PC, they wouldnt bother I dont think.

silverkelt

I dont know why you are so positive? where do you see active population growth? or even steady? I dont see either..

I see the exact opposite with 50% of of my friends list gone, taking long breaks or just simply disappeared since mod 6 was released.

The game is very stagnant with little to do but grind trinkets into other trinkets.. which you know you can buy some stupid quartermasters and get, if you really wanted to, by getting a shadowdemon and letting it kill stronghold mobs all day long. That of course is stupid, but im sure people are doing it.

Ive run thousands of runs in pom, throne, edemo, nemo and cn and I never even got a +5 ring I wanted.. so whoopie doopie thats not worth the time involved.

hypnoticbeast

linaduin said:

At least we beat the bots - it was all worth it.

Um..I think not. They are still out there. I see them all the time.

nathan

Just a note on population growth.

I have been here since April. I have since gone through most content lvls 1-70. I think that some here are steeply under estimating the number of new players, because maybe you aren't exposed to them.

I mostly rely on PUG's and from my experience it seems as though there are just as abundant newer players as there are vets. I would actually tend to think there are more of us than there are of you.

I don't have any data to back that up, but if you look outside of organized 3k+ Ilvl groups, I believe you'll be surprised.

The problem doesn't seem to be attracting new players, but rather retaining the ones that you have. Trust me when I say this. Hitting level 70 was like hitting a brick wall, over and over and over again.

It is one giant cycle of progress-unfriendly grinds. From campaigns, to artifacts, to enchants, companions, mounts, armor sets, and Ilvl. The fans has a very disproportionate return on investment.

mynaam

hypnoticbeast said:

linaduin said:

At least we beat the bots - it was all worth it.

Um..I think not. They are still out there. I see them all the time.

I am leveling a new character to help my guild and found myself in a PVP group with 9 bots. that was fun I got a lot of triple kills .

silverkelt

hypnoticbeast said:

linaduin said:

At least we beat the bots - it was all worth it.

Um..I think not. They are still out there. I see them all the time.

They beat the ones that mattered I guess, because you know poeple HAD to have nodes removed, the game is totally better without them, somehow, some way, that the vast majority of players cant figure out.

OH and they increased r5 drops on mob kills, didnt you here? lol.. lol lol!

silverkelt

nathan#8975 said:

Just a note on population growth.



I have been here since April. I have since gone through most content lvls 1-70. I think that some here are steeply under estimating the number of new players, because maybe you aren't exposed to them.



I mostly rely on PUG's and from my experience it seems as though there are just as abundant newer players as there are vets. I would actually tend to think there are more of us than there are of you.



I don't have any data to back that up, but if you look outside of organized 3k+ Ilvl groups, I believe you'll be surprised.



The problem doesn't seem to be attracting new players, but rather retaining the ones that you have. Trust me when I say this. Hitting level 70 was like hitting a brick wall, over and over and over again.



It is one giant cycle of progress-unfriendly grinds. From campaigns, to artifacts, to enchants, companions, mounts, armor sets, and Ilvl. The fans has a very disproportionate return on investment.

If there are new players then they will eventually filter into the private channels/guilds , they are not filtering into them.

So that tells me those "new" players might very well log on , but they dont really continue with the game, in essence they are virtually meaningless, except for a long in stat.

Even the population of the forums are down.

New players that dont stick around to do anything, are pretty worthless. They get to 70 even, see the cost of the RP and flee to a game that isnt quite so crazy.

beckylunatic

linaduin said:

At least we beat the bots - it was all worth it.

There is some serious sarchasm going on with people's replies to this comment.

Edit: ^ not a typo

urabask

morenthar said:

I love how much people want this game to fail, it's entertaining.



Heck, I don't even have to wait long for a PvP match and forum posters declared that dead 2-3 mods ago.



"It's the same people over and over again."



That is actually closer to the truth during U.S. prime- time gaming. I label that differently than TV prime. Gaming is more 8pm -Midnight. One big problem is you have more premades during that time. It's boring as hell.



European prime-time has a massive PvP and overall base. I can actually go entire U.S. Central morning and afternoons and never see a trolling premade.



The reality is more towards what @nathan#8975 stated.



I can say a lot of people are either in a holding pattern or acquiring resources for the future. Best example is all of the people doing Dragon Runs is The Well.



Another common thread I hear from other players is that there really is no NWO killer out there. If this game comes up with more content and cleans a few things up it would STILL be a massive force to be reckoned with and the code is ANCIENT.



I'm an example. I bought BDO and I do play it and will more as new classes come online, but it hasn't killed this game for me.



There is simply too much grind out there. So people figure that they might as well grind their established characters and hope for more content than grind elsewhere from scratch. Also, as buggy as this game is, the combat system keeps pulling people back.

Neverwinter spikes around 2-5 PM EST though. 8-12 AM is when the population falls off and it hits it's lowest point around 2am EST.

dragoness10

I'm still getting orders filled overnight as I sleep so it's not back to as bad as it was previously.

You just won't see listings for Zen when the exchange is moving fast filling the backlog.