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Aldophia - LionheartAldophia - Lionheart Posts: 2 Arc User
edited November 2012 in Class Discussion
So I'm still kinda new to this game and I love dps classes but I'm not sure exactly what class I should choose let alone how to stack the talent tree. I've played a vampire, priest, and warrior and I like them all but I just don't know what would be best for dps and how to stack the trees. Any advice would be much appreciated! =]
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  • Falchoir - LionheartFalchoir - Lionheart Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I have not played any of those classes beyond the 40s, but I can try to tell you which trees give the greatest DPS for each:

    Vampire: Dark or Inferno (don't really know the difference here- I've heard that Dark is the PvP DPS tree while Inferno is the PvE DPS trees, but I've also heard that Inferno is a tanking tree. Any input here would be appreciated.)

    Priest: Rebel priests deal insane damage, sometimes even stealing aggro from sins. Glacial priests are also DPSers, but tend towards slower AoE attacks that can slow and freeze enemies. General rule of thumb is that human priests are best suited for rebel, while elf priests are best suited for glacial.

    Warrior: I know Aegis is the tanking tree, and that Elemental is a DPS tree. I'm not as certain about Bloodlust.

    As you can see, my knowledge here is rather scattered. >.> I recommend also checking the class forums for more information on trees.
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  • Aldophia - LionheartAldophia - Lionheart Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Well pretty much any class I was curious about. Those are just the ones I have tried so far and I didn't know if there was a better dps
  • Fullcore - LionheartFullcore - Lionheart Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I think every class has a good damage tree.
    Mage: fire, lightning
    Warrior: elemental, bloodlust
    Priest: rebel, glacial
    Bard: water, wind(not sure never played bard)
    Prot: diamond and maybe granite
    Marksman: all three can hit pretty hard
    Assassin: edge venom
    Vamp: inferno and dark. (Some bloods hit hardish too)
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  • nightwolf200nightwolf200 Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I think every class has a good damage tree.
    Assassin: edge venom

    um edge isn't much of a dps tree its pretty poor compared to venom the only way it competes in damage output is its crits but even then you're more focused on cc skills and not damage output compared to venom
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  • Fullcore - LionheartFullcore - Lionheart Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    um edge isn't much of a dps tree its pretty poor compared to venom the only way it competes in damage output is its crits but even then you're more focused on cc skills and not damage output compared to venom

    Yea i know, i didnt say edge was better dps, I just meant that it still has significant damage output.
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  • Aishleen - EyrdaAishleen - Eyrda Posts: 2,005 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Actually, excluding DoTs who do not generate aggro, good built edge/dark hybrid sins (only few points in dark for throat cut though) have the best single target DPS in the game.

    No warrior comes close to my DPS if I crit under VI (easy to do with stealth or even combat stealth up because of 40% crit bonus for edge). Dark Vamps lose aggro as well, even though it is a tough call (sometimes they win), but this is because they get my 30% damage bonus that only applies to physical and dark elements (and they use dark)

    Now, imagine without that boost, which comes from the edge sin obviously. I just **** the DPS of most other classes without close competition. Oh and btw I only have Ragefire III's and Shattershard III's, not IV gems (except goldsparks and eagle/mists)

    It is hard to compare DPS with classes with massive DoTs though, because those do not generate aggro. Easy to compare with pure raw damage ones without taunt, because it's direct proportional with damage dealt.

    I am not sure if venom does more damage than my build, because of the DoTs, but you are crazy if you think my build is not DPS, I am still superior to (almost) any other class, so that's like saying warriors have no good DPS regardless of tree.


    EDIT: in my server 90% of the cases at EB bosses when there's no PvP (and where top players gather) an edge/dark hybrid or venom has aggro, sometimes me, sometimes a better geared sin, but the point is sins own most other classes in single target DPS
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  • HOLY_DIVER - EyrdaHOLY_DIVER - Eyrda Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Actually, excluding DoTs who do not generate aggro, good built edge/dark hybrid sins (only few points in dark for throat cut though) have the best single target DPS in the game.

    No warrior comes close to my DPS if I crit under VI (easy to do with stealth or even combat stealth up because of 40% crit bonus for edge). Dark Vamps lose aggro as well, even though it is a tough call (sometimes they win), but this is because they get my 30% damage bonus that only applies to physical and dark elements (and they use dark)

    Now, imagine without that boost, which comes from the edge sin obviously. I just **** the DPS of most other classes without close competition. Oh and btw I only have Ragefire III's and Shattershard III's, not IV gems (except goldsparks and eagle/mists)

    It is hard to compare DPS with classes with massive DoTs though, because those do not generate aggro. Easy to compare with pure raw damage ones without taunt, because it's direct proportional with damage dealt.

    I am not sure if venom does more damage than my build, because of the DoTs, but you are crazy if you think my build is not DPS, I am still superior to (almost) any other class, so that's like saying warriors have no good DPS regardless of tree.


    EDIT: in my server 90% of the cases at EB bosses when there's no PvP (and where top players gather) an edge/dark hybrid or venom has aggro, sometimes me, sometimes a better geared sin, but the point is sins own most other classes in single target DPS
    Agreed Edge DPS is one of the top, if not the top. My sin is not as geared as hers, yet i still pull aggro off of all other classes. And Stacking crit you can get up to 27-28% crit chance. which is 1/3 hit ratio. That takes away the if edge sins crit. My sin has 22% crit and i only have goldsparks III.
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  • noxxnoctisnoxxnoctis Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I think every class has a good damage tree.
    Bard: water, wind(not sure never played bard)


    My main is a wind bard. It is many things, but DPS is not one of them. Everybody loves the buffs wind bards provide, but the class does not heal well, does not DPS well, and does poorly as a tank (when unfortunate enough to pull aggro in a very lame party).

    Good luck!
  • Dragomir - IllyfueDragomir - Illyfue Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Vampire: Dark or Inferno (don't really know the difference here- I've heard that Dark is the PvP DPS tree while Inferno is the PvE DPS trees, but I've also heard that Inferno is a tanking tree. Any input here would be appreciated.)

    Nope, blood is a -sort of-tanking tree. And Blood with a few points in Dark is btw very close to dps with those 2 trees.

    Anyway, Dark is more about direct damage + fast hits + critical hits, while Inferno is about nukes and DoT, and has an edge on AoE (still fairly terrible as far as AoE is concerned though). Also note tat Inferno is the squishiest of all 3 trees (dark holds that title up till lv60, then they get Dark Vampire Form and some insane leech) and the one with the least utility besides pure damage... it would normaly outdps dark by a lot, BUT.......... it has scaling problems. Meaning that with some good gear and gems Dark is equal, or even better in damage...
  • CuteNDeadl - Storm LegionCuteNDeadl - Storm Legion Posts: 2,401 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Id say best single target dd would be venom/edge sin, or maybe dark vamp.

    Best aoe dd, hmm.. wind mage or glacial priest.
  • Sabriele - Storm LegionSabriele - Storm Legion Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Actually, excluding DoTs who do not generate aggro, good built edge/dark hybrid sins (only few points in dark for throat cut though) have the best single target DPS in the game.

    No warrior comes close to my DPS if I crit under VI (easy to do with stealth or even combat stealth up because of 40% crit bonus for edge). Dark Vamps lose aggro as well, even though it is a tough call (sometimes they win), but this is because they get my 30% damage bonus that only applies to physical and dark elements (and they use dark)

    Now, imagine without that boost, which comes from the edge sin obviously. I just **** the DPS of most other classes without close competition. Oh and btw I only have Ragefire III's and Shattershard III's, not IV gems (except goldsparks and eagle/mists)

    It is hard to compare DPS with classes with massive DoTs though, because those do not generate aggro. Easy to compare with pure raw damage ones without taunt, because it's direct proportional with damage dealt.

    I am not sure if venom does more damage than my build, because of the DoTs, but you are crazy if you think my build is not DPS, I am still superior to (almost) any other class, so that's like saying warriors have no good DPS regardless of tree.


    EDIT: in my server 90% of the cases at EB bosses when there's no PvP (and where top players gather) an edge/dark hybrid or venom has aggro, sometimes me, sometimes a better geared sin, but the point is sins own most other classes in single target DPS

    as a lv79 venom, i would have to say that venoms are more CONSISTANT damage than an edge. edges are very high spike damage, but they rely too heavily on crit to be as consistant as venom, especially counting DoTs. How this plays in term of aggro, i dont really know, as i have rarely partied with a similarly geared edge, due to class rolls etc.

    However, i DO know that both venom and edge can leave other classes [not counting taunt classes] in the dust in terms of aggro, especially once the orbs start stacking.
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  • Sugarboy - EyrdaSugarboy - Eyrda Posts: 638 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Actually, excluding DoTs who do not generate aggro, good built edge/dark hybrid sins (only few points in dark for throat cut though) have the best single target DPS in the game.

    No warrior comes close to my DPS if I crit under VI (easy to do with stealth or even combat stealth up because of 40% crit bonus for edge). Dark Vamps lose aggro as well, even though it is a tough call (sometimes they win), but this is because they get my 30% damage bonus that only applies to physical and dark elements (and they use dark)

    Now, imagine without that boost, which comes from the edge sin obviously. I just **** the DPS of most other classes without close competition. Oh and btw I only have Ragefire III's and Shattershard III's, not IV gems (except goldsparks and eagle/mists)

    It is hard to compare DPS with classes with massive DoTs though, because those do not generate aggro. Easy to compare with pure raw damage ones without taunt, because it's direct proportional with damage dealt.

    I am not sure if venom does more damage than my build, because of the DoTs, but you are crazy if you think my build is not DPS, I am still superior to (almost) any other class, so that's like saying warriors have no good DPS regardless of tree.


    EDIT: in my server 90% of the cases at EB bosses when there's no PvP (and where top players gather) an edge/dark hybrid or venom has aggro, sometimes me, sometimes a better geared sin, but the point is sins own most other classes in single target DPS

    i wasnt a believer that edge's dps was on par with venom's until a few months ago when i switched my build up a bit and got intensified aggression and SE (throat cut as well). this, imo, could make a crit damage built edge sin the greatest ally in any boss battle i cud think of, worse if coupled with a phantom war, dark vamp or other sins. the 30% probability doesnt sound that great on paper but its quite alot. Fully agree with Aishleen on this
  • Dirgeofsun - Storm LegionDirgeofsun - Storm Legion Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    OP, if you're concerned about talents, you can always play around with the talent calculator (top menu -> game info -> talent calculator). Once you've tried to build something, you can post it in the forums and ask for advice.

    As for picking a class in the first place, most classes /can/ DPS, but some don't do it as well as others. Bards and healing priests generally aren't as good at DPS as other classes, but other priests and sometimes water bards are good. As some others have said, rebel priests are great. It would probably be good to decide a few things first; close or ranged combat, AoE or single target, and PvE or PvP. Once you've decided those, it's a bit easier to narrow it down to something you'll actually want to play.

    So, you're on Lionheart, so you're probably looking more for PvE, I'm assuming. You've tried a close combat (warrior), mid-ranged (vampire), and a far range (priest) class, so that'll help you figure out close vs ranged... That last one might be a little harder to decide. The main AoE DPS is mage from what I know, but most classes have some AoE. Sometimes AoE isn't that great, since it means you're pulling everything to you at once, but it can also help get kills faster.

    I hope this helps!
  • Borsook - EyrdaBorsook - Eyrda Posts: 2,951 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    noxxnoctis wrote: »
    My main is a wind bard. It is many things, but DPS is not one of them. Everybody loves the buffs wind bards provide, but the class does not heal well, does not DPS well, and does poorly as a tank (when unfortunate enough to pull aggro in a very lame party).

    Good luck!
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I think most of you don't even relise what DPS really is... It is damage per second. That means the most damage in a small amount of time...

    The sin is the #1 DPS class

    Venom is good DPS but GREAT DoT (damage over Time). If you want to do instances Venom is your guy.

    Edge is focusing on crits if I am not mistaken. All i know is that this class is probably the most popular with PvP players because it can do HIGH crits in a small amount of time repeatedly.

    Although a Venom has better DoT, the Edge is great for small fights like monsters and PvP. Venom is for bossing

    Dark is unique... I don't know to much about it but I think that they are focused on Evasion and speed. They are focused on dodging attacks and attacking really fast when they get a chance. I never really seen this tree or tried it but I believe they have a skill that allows others skills to not have a cooldown for a period of time. This seems like a tree that you solo with in the PvE when questing. Not so much for DPS but more for survivability.



    as classes are concerned in general (all trees togeather) here is the list
    #1 Sins
    #2 Mages
    #3 Bards (if you can combo like a pro, if you can't then i would say #5)
    #4 Vampire
    #5 Marksmen
    #6 Warrior
    #7 Priest
    #8 Prot

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  • Dragomir - IllyfueDragomir - Illyfue Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I think most of you don't even relise what DPS really is... It is damage per second. That means the most damage in a small amount of time...

    The sin is the #1 DPS class

    Venom is good DPS but GREAT DoT (damage over Time). If you want to do instances Venom is your guy.

    Edge is focusing on crits if I am not mistaken. All i know is that this class is probably the most popular with PvP players because it can do HIGH crits in a small amount of time repeatedly.

    Although a Venom has better DoT, the Edge is great for small fights like monsters and PvP. Venom is for bossing

    Dark is unique... I don't know to much about it but I think that they are focused on Evasion and speed. They are focused on dodging attacks and attacking really fast when they get a chance. I never really seen this tree or tried it but I believe they have a skill that allows others skills to not have a cooldown for a period of time. This seems like a tree that you solo with in the PvE when questing. Not so much for DPS but more for survivability.



    as classes are concerned in general (all trees togeather) here is the list
    #1 Sins
    #2 Mages
    #3 Bards (if you can combo like a pro, if you can't then i would say #5)
    #4 Vampire
    #5 Marksmen
    #6 Warrior
    #7 Priest
    #8 Prot

    Now with the right Cash Shopping. Almost anything is possible.

    Ehm, no. DPS does not mean the most damage within a small amount of time, it means the best damage/second ratio. What you're looking for here is "spike damage output".
    DPS obviously includes DoT - if it's damage, it's part of your dps, period. If you want to split the 2, it's "Direct Damage" and "Secondary Damage" (being damage from DoTs, stacked debuffs etc)
    The question is: does the guy relying on DoT/debuffs/steady damage have enough time to catch up and maybe overtake the guy that just has high spike damage? If you compaire the DPS on trash mobs, for example, the guy with the spike damage will have more DPS, but on a boss it will probably be the other way round.

    Anyway, your class ranking does not mean much, since the differences between different trees can often be too big to make a class average. And, seriously, bards in front of vampires? Really? How can a bard do more dps that a vampire spaming CS???
  • Goomz - EyrdaGoomz - Eyrda Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Actually, excluding DoTs who do not generate aggro, good built edge/dark hybrid sins (only few points in dark for throat cut though) have the best single target DPS in the game.

    No warrior comes close to my DPS if I crit under VI (easy to do with stealth or even combat stealth up because of 40% crit bonus for edge). Dark Vamps lose aggro as well, even though it is a tough call (sometimes they win), but this is because they get my 30% damage bonus that only applies to physical and dark elements (and they use dark)

    Now, imagine without that boost, which comes from the edge sin obviously. I just **** the DPS of most other classes without close competition. Oh and btw I only have Ragefire III's and Shattershard III's, not IV gems (except goldsparks and eagle/mists)

    It is hard to compare DPS with classes with massive DoTs though, because those do not generate aggro. Easy to compare with pure raw damage ones without taunt, because it's direct proportional with damage dealt.

    I am not sure if venom does more damage than my build, because of the DoTs, but you are crazy if you think my build is not DPS, I am still superior to (almost) any other class, so that's like saying warriors have no good DPS regardless of tree.


    EDIT: in my server 90% of the cases at EB bosses when there's no PvP (and where top players gather) an edge/dark hybrid or venom has aggro, sometimes me, sometimes a better geared sin, but the point is sins own most other classes in single target DPS

    Agreed, with only 39 phys mastery atm if I crit under vicious intention at the start of the fight I can hold aggro from any class (except other edge/dark sins) with 50+ mastery easily. Edge/dark sin probably has the top dps in the game...
  • CuteNDeadl - Storm LegionCuteNDeadl - Storm Legion Posts: 2,401 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Idk I guess its all about preference.. Both edge and venom are good at dpsing.
  • homosimpsonshomosimpsons Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    dark vampire has pretty good single target dps as well, nothing more satisfying than hitting a shadow scar for 70k crit dmg per hit or a 70k dark ripple crits per second. without gt/lcs/gfc buffs.
  • Arianh - LionheartArianh - Lionheart Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    OP, if you're concerned about talents, you can always play around with the talent calculator (top menu -> game info -> talent calculator). Once you've tried to build something, you can post it in the forums and ask for advice.

    As for picking a class in the first place, most classes /can/ DPS, but some don't do it as well as others. Bards and healing priests generally aren't as good at DPS as other classes, but other priests and sometimes water bards are good. As some others have said, rebel priests are great. It would probably be good to decide a few things first; close or ranged combat, AoE or single target, and PvE or PvP. Once you've decided those, it's a bit easier to narrow it down to something you'll actually want to play.

    So, you're on Lionheart, so you're probably looking more for PvE, I'm assuming. You've tried a close combat (warrior), mid-ranged (vampire), and a far range (priest) class, so that'll help you figure out close vs ranged... That last one might be a little harder to decide. The main AoE DPS is mage from what I know, but most classes have some AoE. Sometimes AoE isn't that great, since it means you're pulling everything to you at once, but it can also help get kills faster.

    I hope this helps!

    Yes thank you I decided to go with a sin close up. I've played close up before and I like them the only thing I hate is when something runs away and I have to chase it. Right then is when I miss my distance classes lol
  • Arianh - LionheartArianh - Lionheart Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I think most of you don't even relise what DPS really is... It is damage per second. That means the most damage in a small amount of time...

    The sin is the #1 DPS class

    Venom is good DPS but GREAT DoT (damage over Time). If you want to do instances Venom is your guy.

    Edge is focusing on crits if I am not mistaken. All i know is that this class is probably the most popular with PvP players because it can do HIGH crits in a small amount of time repeatedly.

    Although a Venom has better DoT, the Edge is great for small fights like monsters and PvP. Venom is for bossing

    Dark is unique... I don't know to much about it but I think that they are focused on Evasion and speed. They are focused on dodging attacks and attacking really fast when they get a chance. I never really seen this tree or tried it but I believe they have a skill that allows others skills to not have a cooldown for a period of time. This seems like a tree that you solo with in the PvE when questing. Not so much for DPS but more for survivability.



    as classes are concerned in general (all trees togeather) here is the list
    #1 Sins
    #2 Mages
    #3 Bards (if you can combo like a pro, if you can't then i would say #5)
    #4 Vampire
    #5 Marksmen
    #6 Warrior
    #7 Priest
    #8 Prot

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    Thank you this is what I was looking for just kinda what classes were best at DPS I did go sin and this is my new char :D
  • Arianh - LionheartArianh - Lionheart Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Thank you everyone for helping me it's meant a lot :D I did go sin and I love it! I am a PvE person I've never been a big fan of going out and killing other members just to get yelled at by them if I win lol. All of your advice has helped me immensely and I appreciate it! So thank you once again to everyone that has commented and helped it means a lot to me =]
  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Ehm, no. DPS does not mean the most damage within a small amount of time, it means the best damage/second ratio. What you're looking for here is "spike damage output".
    DPS obviously includes DoT - if it's damage, it's part of your dps, period. If you want to split the 2, it's "Direct Damage" and "Secondary Damage" (being damage from DoTs, stacked debuffs etc)
    The question is: does the guy relying on DoT/debuffs/steady damage have enough time to catch up and maybe overtake the guy that just has high spike damage? If you compaire the DPS on trash mobs, for example, the guy with the spike damage will have more DPS, but on a boss it will probably be the other way round.

    Anyway, your class ranking does not mean much, since the differences between different trees can often be too big to make a class average. And, seriously, bards in front of vampires? Really? How can a bard do more dps that a vampire spaming CS???

    DoT=Damage over Time... This is prefered for bossing because bosses take longer to kill. DoT usually has skills that do damage even after the attack. Its also where they dont spike damage and they accurately hit in a small range. This makes it so they can hit medium-high amounts constantly and in a balanced game like this. They tend to do more damage then a DPS class.

    DPS=Like you said usually spike damage. DPS is hitting the target and doing alot of damage. Although DPS usually have a bigger range so you will hit low just as much as you hit high. This helps balanced the DoT (venom) tree from DPS (edge).

    DD= Damage Dealer, They usually hit HUGE amounts of damage but attack slower to counter act the high amounts of damage.

    You been edumicationalized.

    If you dont cash shop then Sin is the best. If you do cash shop... Then we all know anything is possible. The way i listed it all off was the classes at end game using the shard gear. Nothing else to make it fair


    Bards out DPS Vamps. Vamps have a DoT tree, a DD tree, and a healer/sub tank tree. I have seen bards out DPS vamps time and time again.
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  • Arianh - LionheartArianh - Lionheart Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    DoT=Damage over Time... This is prefered for bossing because bosses take longer to kill. DoT usually has skills that do damage even after the attack. Its also where they dont spike damage and they accurately hit in a small range. This makes it so they can hit medium-high amounts constantly and in a balanced game like this. They tend to do more damage then a DPS class.

    DPS=Like you said usually spike damage. DPS is hitting the target and doing alot of damage. Although DPS usually have a bigger range so you will hit low just as much as you hit high. This helps balanced the DoT (venom) tree from DPS (edge).

    DD= Damage Dealer, They usually hit HUGE amounts of damage but attack slower to counter act the high amounts of damage.

    You been edumicationalized.

    If you dont cash shop then Sin is the best. If you do cash shop... Then we all know anything is possible. The way i listed it all off was the classes at end game using the shard gear. Nothing else to make it fair


    Bards out DPS Vamps. Vamps have a DoT tree, a DD tree, and a healer/sub tank tree. I have seen bards out DPS vamps time and time again.

    Yeah that's how I know everything. I was afraid some people wouldn't even know what DPS was cause now they call it something else xD but DPS does get confusing sometimes I know that. It just depends how long you've been playing really cause now people confuse it with other things but he has it right for the DPS I meant
  • Dragomir - IllyfueDragomir - Illyfue Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    DPS = Damage Per Second, whether you like it or not... it may be used under different context for different things, sure - but primarily it is what it's name says: damage/time ratio. Which doesn't really say much about the playstyle, and which is why terms like direct/secondary/spike damage are objectively better when trying to describe a class.

    Btw, Damage Dealer as far as terms go is as bad as it can get - because it really just means someone who can put out a lot of damage. As opposed to supporter and tank. It doesn't mean slow attacking, heavy hitting character - what you're looking for there is Nuke-DD or DPH.

    And even blood vampires can easily put out consistent 20-30k hits every couple seconds with their CS - I had one, I could often outdps warriors of the same gear quality and I wasn't even specced for attack - I was all into hp and defence. And I'm not even gonna speak about Dark...
    Find me one bard that can consistently do that much DPS without having spent a million gold into masteries...
  • Borsook - EyrdaBorsook - Eyrda Posts: 2,951 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    DoT=Damage over Time... This is prefered for bossing because bosses take longer to kill. DoT usually has skills that do damage even after the attack. Its also where they dont spike damage and they accurately hit in a small range. This makes it so they can hit medium-high amounts constantly and in a balanced game like this. They tend to do more damage then a DPS class.

    DPS=Like you said usually spike damage. DPS is hitting the target and doing alot of damage. Although DPS usually have a bigger range so you will hit low just as much as you hit high. This helps balanced the DoT (venom) tree from DPS (edge).
    WRONG.

    DPS = damage per second on average. DoT class is usually is high DPS because of this fact.

    Spike damage is NOT DPS. It is in the middle, it's burst damage. The opposite of DPS is DPH = damage per hit. Doesn't matter how slow it is.

    For DPS, spike damage or burst or consistent doesn't matter one bit. All that matters is the damage per second because that's where it comes from. And for that, all that matters is damage output versus time to cast and cooldowns. If you do massive damage with a 10 sec cast, and someone does half your damage with 3 second cast, he has more DPS. The former is DPH.

    In PvP, of course a 10 second cast with that large hit is massive spike damage if you use fast-casting spells after it. It doesn't mean it's DPS. Get your facts straight.
    Find me one bard that can consistently do that much DPS without having spent a million gold into masteries...
    **** excuse, just cause your server has ****-poor bards. Do you realize how many buffs a wind bard can get? Even a water bard can get quite a bit.

    Mastery is irrelevant because you vamps can get it too. If he does a specific DPS, mastery just multiplies it. It doesn't lower cooldowns or modifies your skill rotation or buffs.

    Very few build wind bards for crit though. Don't forget an OP wind bard buffs your attack by like 1.5k as well, so alot of your DPS comes from him too. Now, you try to outdps that bard without leeching off his attack buff and then see who's talking.
  • Dragomir - IllyfueDragomir - Illyfue Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    **** excuse, just cause your server has ****-poor bards. Do you realize how many buffs a wind bard can get? Even a water bard can get quite a bit.

    Mastery is irrelevant because you vamps can get it too. If he does a specific DPS, mastery just multiplies it. It doesn't lower cooldowns or modifies your skill rotation or buffs.

    Very few build wind bards for crit though. Don't forget an OP wind bard buffs your attack by like 1.5k as well, so alot of your DPS comes from him too. Now, you try to outdps that bard without leeching off his attack buff and then see who's talking.

    If the Wind Bard has enough time to pull out all their buffs then the Dark vamp has enough time to max out CS stacks. Add in the extra damage from the Dark Ripple debuff and Dark Curse, add in the extra damage from the high HP and you've got enough to, at higher tiers, outdps anything in ST. Anything. Once you've maxxed out your stuff, CS->SS->CS->DR->WK->CS->DR->VS->CS... does ridicoulous amounts of damage, that a bard simply cannot match. And if you want me to believe otherwise, I would really like to know what bard rotation is supposed to outdps this (which already outdpses most warriors of equal gear by a mile)
  • Aishleen - EyrdaAishleen - Eyrda Posts: 2,005 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I would swap mages with vamps in that list either way, and Marksmen (WTF?) with Warrior
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  • Borsook - EyrdaBorsook - Eyrda Posts: 2,951 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    If the Wind Bard has enough time to pull out all their buffs then the Dark vamp has enough time to max out CS stacks. Add in the extra damage from the Dark Ripple debuff and Dark Curse, add in the extra damage from the high HP and you've got enough to, at higher tiers, outdps anything in ST. Anything. Once you've maxxed out your stuff, CS->SS->CS->DR->WK->CS->DR->VS->CS... does ridicoulous amounts of damage, that a bard simply cannot match. And if you want me to believe otherwise, I would really like to know what bard rotation is supposed to outdps this (which already outdpses most warriors of equal gear by a mile)
    Show some numbers. Base attack + bonus for each. A wind bard can precast the buff that stacks, you realize this right? The self-attack buff requires only 1 chord after stacking (use Solo of Wind for 2 C chords) so you get it in 1 second technically after fight starts. :rolleyes:

    A wind bard's wind skill rotation is only 1 sec casts with 155% and 150% base attack... with insane attack buffs, and very low cooldown (2sec/4sec). On top of that they have Note of Rest for +18% base and 1s and 3s sec cooldowns. Don't forget base adds attack, which they get even more from the huge attack buffs.
  • Arizll - EyrdaArizll - Eyrda Posts: 1,551 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Show some numbers. Base attack + bonus for each. A wind bard can precast the buff that stacks, you realize this right? The self-attack buff requires only 1 chord after stacking (use Solo of Wind for 2 C chords) so you get it in 1 second technically after fight starts. :rolleyes:

    A wind bard's wind skill rotation is only 1 sec casts with 155% and 150% base attack... with insane attack buffs, and very low cooldown (2sec/4sec). On top of that they have Note of Rest for +18% base and 1s and 3s sec cooldowns. Don't forget base adds attack, which they get even more from the huge attack buffs.

    You need to play a wind bard before giving more false info... its both on 2 sec cd. Tooltips is wrong.
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