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Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Class Discussion
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Sorry for spelling and grammar. This Guide has tons of stuff to help you choose what class. If you are wondering what class is best for you than leave a comment and someone will help you hopefully. I will try if i can.

Race choosing Guide - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=2340861#post2340861


People who help fix some details to the guide - Xsasukex, Luciferia, nightwolf200, and Axym, Orissa
Experienced MMORPG Player
If not experienced then scroll down some more

Players opinions on the classes they play.


Protector = Paladin

Marksmen = Hunter/Archer/Gun, it uses guns but its the same as a bow

Bard = Musician They are commonly used as a support class with some lovely buffs

Priest = Priest/Monk Its your healer

Assasin = Rogue/Sin, This is your stealth class and used as close combat DPS

Vampire = Necromancer without the summons. This class is your DoT and DPS
depending on build. If i recall correctly can be a sub healer, sub tank, and possibly main healer

Warrior = Warrior/Fighter/Knight Basic close combat sword. Pink because only real mean wear pink :P

Mage = Warlock/Mage/Magician Your long range attackers with little health, My opinion on the races are Human is for DPS and Kindred for DoT.

Thats the Quick summary for experienced MMORPG players.
What each class does in a team (instances/bosses) http://fw-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Teamplay_Guide

New To MMORPG Classes

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Protector - This is your Tank. When you see a Protector in a PvP situation you will probably think F***. This class can be made to be HIGH Damage or Tank. So if you want to be able to take hits like a boss and deal some damge then choose Protector. if i remember they have slowest attacking speed. Not 100% sure though.
If you are choosing to be a Protector
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=149271 - PvE Guide/Build
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=72661 - Tanking/General Guide

Trees - Diamond, Marble, Granite

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Warrior - These guys can be a sub Tank. They deal higher amounts of damage then a assassin and a Protector, but less defence than a Protector.
If you are choosing to be a Warrior
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=188771 - Phantom Warrior
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=171401 - Elemental Warrior

Trees - Phantom, Elemental, Aegis

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Assasin - These guys have DPS down. They attack fast and swiftly. So fast their opponents are sometimes stunned. Assasin have great speed attacking and good damage. Not as high as a Warrior or Prot but they make up for it with speed.
If you are choosing to be a Assasin
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=170111 Not my assasin guide.

Trees - Venom, Edge, Dark

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Marksmen - This class has a good Story behind it in my opinion. So if you want a Story choose Marksmen. They are range attackers and they use guns. They have a decent hp amount and are DPS but they still lack Defence so dont go aggro crazy. Now, I think of them as a PvE class but they are still good in PvP. If in the hands of the right player you can be amazed at what a Marksmen can do :P
If you are choosing to be a Marksmen
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=161741 - Tree Descriptions

Trees - Precision, Soul, Burst

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Priest - They are your healer of the group. If you are planning on PvP you will still be good. When you are in a instance you are expected to be the healer. If you arnt a healing priest you still have a healing spell(s). They are good at everything in my opinion. They are DPS and a Healer in one. Usually seen as a Healer
If you are choosing to be a Priest
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=140611 - Support/Heal Priest
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=180031 - just a list of guides

Trees - Divine, Rebel, Glacial

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Mage - High Damage, Mobbing, DPS, or DoT. This class has all those options but still lacks at HP. Mages can be made for PvE, Instances, PvP, or what ever you want. I think they are the most flexible class. If only they had more Health Points. Mages are the only class that each tree will effect your role the most. Ice mages are focused on 1v1 PvP and single targets. They are made for kiting. Fire mages are the DD of range classes. They lack safety but make up for it by dealing more damage. Lightning mages are for mobbing. Their skills increase area of some attacks and a few other nice perks. EVERY tree has a AoE spell.

If you are choosing to be a Mage[/CENTER]
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=107261 - Lightning Guide

Trees - Fire, Lightning, Ice

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Vampires - DoT, DPS, sub tank and sub healers (possibly main healer if you go into the blood tree). They can be a healer but not the most reliable. They can do Damage over time and do more damage or do DPS which is damage fast and quick. So do more damage over a period of time or Do damage quick and painless :P Close Combat

If you are choosing to be a Vampires
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=167121 - inferno
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=164371 - might help you learn a little about the vampire tree
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=208231 - Guide
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=227321 - Blood Vampire Guide

Trees - Blood, Dark, Inferno

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Bard - They are a Sub healer support class DPS, Depending on your tree. This is kind of like a long range Vampire but with music and doesnt do DoT. They also have just lovely buffs. If you want a buffer this is it :D It also can be a sub healer or a main healer if your talents are stacked right. I highly recommend this class if you like a unique and challenging playing style.
If you are choosing to be a Bard
http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=171271 - support bard

Trees - Light, Water, Wind



This is a quickly made guide to help you choose a class. If you like how the class sounds then try it. Some of these Descriptions will be argued about. If you want to know more about the classes then go to there forum pages.



Class Difficulty PvE and PvP


Its mainly on how you play your character so its how based on how focused you need to be,
EVERY CLASS can be good in PvE and PvP depending on build and how you play it

PvE
hardest to easiest, General summary of classes
Bard
Mage (inless lightning at early levels)
Priest
Protector (inless your instancing)
Assassin
Marksmen
Vampire
Warrior

PvP

1.Cash shoppers
2.Richest in game (so they can buy stuff from cash shoppers)
3.Everyone else (80% of players i would say)

Class Popularity
This is the order of what classes are more common in order (Eyrda)
1.Vampire(everywhere)
2.Assasin(everywhere)
3.Warrior(common)
4.Priest(kind of common)
5.Mages(you see every now and then)
6.Protector(rare)
7.Bards(rare)
8.Marksmen(super rare. i rarely see one)

This is the order of what classes are more common in order (lionheart)
1.Vampire
2Warrior
3.Bards
4.Priest
5.Assasin - there are alot walking around, but I hardly see one in an instance anymore when I auto-que (GT, Fissure, GL)
6.Mages
7.Protector
8.Marksmen


What to Choose Posts
Don't want any of these to repeat now so here you all go.

Best if Cash Shopped Click Here

Water Bard or Glacial Priest Click Here

Assassin warriorClick Here

Warrior or Protector Click Here

Vampire - Melee or Spells: Click Here

Mage or Bard: Click Here

Bard vs Priest (PvP): Click Here

Light Bard or Blood Vamp: Click Here

Warrior or Sin: Click Here

Mage or Marksman: Click Here

Assasin or Vamp: Click HEre

Edge Sin vs Dark Vamp: Click Here

Protector vs Warrior (PvP): Click Here

Light Bard vs Divine Priest: Click Here

Marksman or Assassin: Click Here

Mage or Vamp: Click Here

Bard or Warrior: Click Here


Class Discussion


Warrior - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=94

Protector - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95

Assasin - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=101

Marksmen - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=102

Priest - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=121

Mage - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103

Vampires - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=131

Bard - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=141


Was adding a Class Tree descrpitions but i dont got to time to do it sorry but they should be able to tell you in forums. If someone else though wants to do it for me. Post it in a comment and ill post it on here.
For Laughs - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=212771
Post edited by Ashaw - Eyrda on
Class Choosing Guide -
fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=188881

Race Choosing Guide -
fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=193701

They know I'm right -
fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3587381&postcount=43

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I dont play Ashaw anymore -_- its a boring class
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  • skyeilordskyeilord Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I am quitting Forsaken World for a little while. So here is some Class picking advice. This is my opinion. :D kind of like a good bye present but ill be back :P Sorry for Spelling


    Now If you have played a MMORPG before then this might be all you need to know
    Protector = Paladin
    Marksmen = Hunter/Archer/Gun, it uses guns but its the same as a bow
    Bard = Musician They are commonly used as a support class
    Priest = Priest/Monk Its your healer
    Assasin = Rogue/Sin, This is your stealth class and used as close combat DPS
    Vampire = Necromancer without the summons. This class is your DoT and DPS depending on build. If i recall correctly can be a sub healer
    Warrior = Warrior/Fighter/Knight Basic close combat sword. Pink because only real mean wear pink :P
    Mage = Warlock/Mage/Magician Your long range attackers with little health, My opinion on the races are Human is for DPS and Kindred for DoT.

    Thats the Quick summary for experienced MMORPG players.


    New To MMORPG Sumamry

    Protector - This is your Tank. When you see a Protector in a PvP situation you will probably think F***. This class can be made to be HIGH Damage or Tank. So if you want to be able to take hits like a boss and deal some damge then choose Protector. if i remember they have slowest attacking speed. Not 100% sure though.

    Warrior - These guys can be a sub Tank. They deal higher damage then can deal more damage then a Protector at end game if talents are right but less health then a Protector

    Assasin - These guys have DPS down. They attack fast and swiftly. So fast their opponents are sometimes stunned. Assasin have great speed attacking and good damage. Not as high as a Warrior or Prot but they make up for it with speed.

    Marksmen - This class has a good Story behind it in my opinion. So if you want a Story choose Marksmen. They are range attackers and they use guns. They have a decent hp amount and are DPS. I think of them as a PvE class but they are still good in PvP. If in the hands of the right player you can be amazed at what a Marksmen can do :P

    Priest - They are your healer of the group. If you are planning on PvP you will still be good. When you are in a instance you are expected to be the healer. If you arnt a healing priest you still have a healing spell(s). They are good at everything in my opinion. They are DPS and a Healer in one. Usually seen as a Healer

    Mage - High Damage, Mobbing, DPS, or DoT. This class has all those options but still lacks at HP. Mages can be made for PvE, Instances, PvP, or what ever you want. I think they are the most flexible class. If only they had more Health Points.

    Vampires - DoT, DPS, and sub healers. They can be a healer but not the most reliable. They can do Damage over time and do more damage or do DPS which is damage fast and quick. So do more damage over a period of time or Do damage quick and painless :P Close Combat

    Bard - They are a Sub healer support class DPS, Depending on your tree. This is kind of like a long range Vampire but with music and doesnt do DoT.

    This is a quickly made guide to help you choose a class. If you like how the class sounds then try it. Some of these Descriptions will be argued about. If you want to know more about the classes then go to there forum pages.


    Warrior - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=94

    Protector - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95

    Assasin - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=101

    Marksmen - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=102

    Priest - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=121

    Mage - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103

    Vampires - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=131

    Bard - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=141


    If you are choosing to be a mage

    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=185761
    Those are my 3 mage builds. No one has said they are good or bad. So i am assuming they are alright builds. I made them using the in game Talent Trees

    WOW! You can't spell "men"?!
  • Luciferia - IllyfueLuciferia - Illyfue Posts: 3,982 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Vampires - DoT, DPS, and sub healers. They can be a healer but not the most reliable. They can do Damage over time and do more damage or do DPS which is damage fast and quick. So do more damage over a period of time or Do damage quick and painless :P Close Combat

    That's true for dark/inferno tree vampires.
    Blood vampires can be perfectly reliable main healers as well as sub tanks.
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  • Xsasukex - Storm LegionXsasukex - Storm Legion Posts: 1,568 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Warrior - These guys can be a sub Tank. They deal higher damage then can deal more damage then a Protector at end game if talents are right but less health then a Protector - Wrong, totally wrong. they got less DEFENCE then a protector yes, but i wonder have you ever seen a Phantom warrior?

    Marksmen - This class has a good Story behind it in my opinion. So if you want a Story choose Marksmen. They are range attackers and they use guns. They have a decent hp amount and are DPS. I think of them as a PvE class but they are still good in PvP. If in the hands of the right player you can be amazed at what a Marksmen can do :P - yeah.. maybe if you gear em right, however their defence is really low, so watch out and dont aggro too many mobs with your AoE or you are pretty much screwed

    Changed a bit
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    hey i stopped back to see if this was helping anyone. Thanks for your comments. Again sorry for the spelling i didn't grammar check it.

    I will update it with the comments i agree with and i will add your name in this since you helped.

    Have a nice day and thanks for reading. I hope i helped since i noticed not as many choosing a class posts :P
    Class Choosing Guide -
    fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=188881

    Race Choosing Guide -
    fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=193701

    They know I'm right -
    fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3587381&postcount=43

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    I dont play Ashaw anymore -_- its a boring class
  • Axym - LionheartAxym - Lionheart Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Marksmen - This class has a good Story behind it in my opinion. So if you want a Story choose Marksmen. They are range attackers and they use guns. They have a decent hp amount and are DPS but they still lack Defence so dont go aggro crazy. Now, I think of them as a PvE class but they are still good in PvP. If in the hands of the right player you can be amazed at what a Marksmen can do :P

    Class Popularity
    This is the order of what classes are more common in what order
    1.Vampire(everywhere)
    2.Assasin(everywhere)
    3.Warrior(common)
    4.Priest(kind of common)
    5.Mages(you see every now and then)
    6.Protector(rare)
    7.Bards(rare)
    8.Marksmen(super rare. i rarely see one)

    Maybe on your server, but in Lionheart, mm's kick butt as high dps! Our hp definitely outweighs mages and we pwn in pvp when given to the right people. Granted I am not one of those people, but I have seen plenty of proof that mm's are pvp gods when given to good people. But then again, same can be said of every class!

    Burst mm's can go aggro crazy because usually anything is dead before it hits them! ;) They also tend to save priest by stealing aggro from wayward mobs.

    As for your list. I guess I can see why you're rather... ill informed of a good mm's capability. Also, I envy your sever that isn't bogged down with bards... too often they are my main healers in instances where a 10sec cd for 2k health isn't going to cut it.....


    MM guide: http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=161741
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  • Luciferia - IllyfueLuciferia - Illyfue Posts: 3,982 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Maybe on your server, but in Lionheart, mm's kick butt as high dps! Our hp definitely outweighs mages and we pwn in pvp when given to the right people. Granted I am not one of those people, but I have seen plenty of proof that mm's are pvp gods when given to good people. But then again, same can be said of every class!

    Burst mm's can go aggro crazy because usually anything is dead before it hits them! ;) They also tend to save priest by stealing aggro from wayward mobs.

    As for your list. I guess I can see why you're rather... ill informed of a good mm's capability. Also, I envy your sever that isn't bogged down with bards... too often they are my main healers in instances where a 10sec cd for 2k health isn't going to cut it.....


    MM guide: http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=161741

    Well, MM are quite rare in Illyfue as well.

    On the other hand... WTF with all those priests? They are almost as many as vampires:eek:
    And warriors do seem to have overtaken us in popularity...
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  • nightwolf200nightwolf200 Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I am quitting Forsaken World for a little while. So here is some Class picking advice. This is my opinion. :D kind of like a good bye present but ill be back :P Sorry for Spelling, Race Help for each class after "New to MMORPG" part of guide

    People who help fix some details to the guide - Xsasukex, and Luciferia
    Experienced MMORPG Player
    If not experienced then scroll down some more
    Protector = Paladin

    Marksmen = Hunter/Archer/Gun, it uses guns but its the same as a bow

    Bard = Musician They are commonly used as a support class

    Priest = Priest/Monk Its your healer

    Assasin = Rogue/Sin, This is your stealth class and used as close combat DPS

    Vampire = Necromancer without the summons. This class is your DoT and DPS
    depending on build. If i recall correctly can be a sub healer, sub tank, and possibly main healer

    Warrior = Warrior/Fighter/Knight Basic close combat sword. Pink because only real mean wear pink :P

    Mage = Warlock/Mage/Magician Your long range attackers with little health, My opinion on the races are Human is for DPS and Kindred for DoT.

    Thats the Quick summary for experienced MMORPG players.


    New To MMORPG Sumamry

    Protector - This is your Tank. When you see a Protector in a PvP situation you will probably think F***. This class can be made to be HIGH Damage or Tank. So if you want to be able to take hits like a boss and deal some damge then choose Protector. if i remember they have slowest attacking speed. Not 100% sure though.

    Warrior - These guys can be a sub Tank. They deal higher damage then can deal more damage then a Protector at end game if talents are right but less defence than a Protector.

    Assasin - These guys have DPS down. They attack fast and swiftly. So fast their opponents are sometimes stunned. Assasin have great speed attacking and good damage. Not as high as a Warrior or Prot but they make up for it with speed.

    Marksmen - This class has a good Story behind it in my opinion. So if you want a Story choose Marksmen. They are range attackers and they use guns. They have a decent hp amount and are DPS but they still lack Defence so dont go aggro crazy. Now, I think of them as a PvE class but they are still good in PvP. If in the hands of the right player you can be amazed at what a Marksmen can do :P

    Priest - They are your healer of the group. If you are planning on PvP you will still be good. When you are in a instance you are expected to be the healer. If you arnt a healing priest you still have a healing spell(s). They are good at everything in my opinion. They are DPS and a Healer in one. Usually seen as a Healer

    Mage - High Damage, Mobbing, DPS, or DoT. This class has all those options but still lacks at HP. Mages can be made for PvE, Instances, PvP, or what ever you want. I think they are the most flexible class. If only they had more Health Points.

    Vampires - DoT, DPS, sub tank and sub healers (possibly main healer if you go into the blood tree). They can be a healer but not the most reliable. They can do Damage over time and do more damage or do DPS which is damage fast and quick. So do more damage over a period of time or Do damage quick and painless :P Close Combat

    Bard - They are a Sub healer support class DPS, Depending on your tree. This is kind of like a long range Vampire but with music and doesnt do DoT.

    This is a quickly made guide to help you choose a class. If you like how the class sounds then try it. Some of these Descriptions will be argued about. If you want to know more about the classes then go to there forum pages.


    Warrior - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=94

    Protector - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95

    Assasin - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=101

    Marksmen - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=102

    Priest - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=121

    Mage - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103

    Vampires - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=131

    Bard - http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Added - :D
    Race for each class

    Some Classes you cant choose race because they only have one race

    Vampires-Kindred
    Bard-Elf
    Protector-Stoneman
    Marksmen-Dwarf

    Mage-Kindred and Human
    Kindreds with racials are for DoT.
    Humans with racials are for HIGH Damage.

    Warrior- Human and elf
    from what i have read just be a human dont bother with elf. All elfs have going for them is that they look cool in their armor

    Assasin- Human and Kindred
    They are equal, Human is more of mp i beleave and kindred is hp

    Priest- Human and Elf
    Human is better for party healing
    Elf is for PvE and PvP

    But remember race isnt everything

    Guides and Builds for classes

    If you are choosing to be a Mage
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=185761
    Those are my 3 mage builds. No one has said they are good or bad. So i am assuming they are alright builds. I made them using the in game Talent Trees
    If you are choosing to be a Warrior
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=188771 - Phantom Warrior
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=171401 - Elemental Warrior
    If you are choosing to be a Priest
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=140611 - Support/Heal Priest
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=180031 - just a list of guides
    If you are choosing to be a Assasin
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=170111 Not my assasin guide.
    If you are choosing to be a Protector
    Didnt find a guide. If you find one please post
    If you are choosing to be a Bard
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=171271 - support bard
    If you are choosing to be a Marksmen
    Didnt find a guide. If you find one please post
    If you are choosing to be a Vampires
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=167121 - inferno
    http://fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=164371 - might help you learn a little about the vampire tree
    Class Popularity
    This is the order of what classes are more common in what order
    1.Vampire(everywhere)
    2.Assasin(everywhere)
    3.Warrior(common)
    4.Priest(kind of common)
    5.Mages(you see every now and then)
    6.Protector(rare)
    7.Bards(rare)
    8.Marksmen(super rare. i rarely see one)
    should add these if you want for assassins. its up to you tho.
    assassins have high crit damage that rivals warriors and protectors normal damage. they're also good with debuffs, stuns, and DoTs
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  • Luciferia - IllyfueLuciferia - Illyfue Posts: 3,982 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    assassins have high crit damage that rivals warriors and protectors normal damage.

    Wasn't it supposed to be the other way round???
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  • ZeroBuster - LionheartZeroBuster - Lionheart Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Changed a bit
    o.O c phantom warrior i c them alot and they dont have more def then prot lol
  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Okay, I tweaked it some more and if this helped you please say something cause i dont wana continue updating something that didnt help anyone -_-
    Class Choosing Guide -
    fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=188881

    Race Choosing Guide -
    fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=193701

    They know I'm right -
    fw-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3587381&postcount=43

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  • nightwolf200nightwolf200 Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Wasn't it supposed to be the other way round???

    uh idk maybe i guess if you look at it that way.
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  • Luciferia - IllyfueLuciferia - Illyfue Posts: 3,982 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    uh idk maybe i guess if you look at it that way.

    Yeah, I mean... assasins can only match protector damage when they crit? Isn't that a bit... off? Since assasins are supposed to have the best DPS around the neigbourhood? lol
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Here is how i think of killing :P just for thoughts
    Protectors what they lack in Damage (depending on build) they gain in defense/hp so they survive better then a sin or warrior but attack is like in between warrior and sin. Since they have more defense/hp then a warrior they do less damage but more then a sin since they attack slower then a sin
    Warriors - they are more for like short battles. They do high damage to get the battle done and over
    Sins - are for longer battles DPS which equals to the warriors attack and a certain amount of seconds and surpasses eventually is for longer battles. :P
    just my opinion
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  • Axym - LionheartAxym - Lionheart Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sins crit ALOT in my opinion. Given, I usually only party with guildies anymore and the top assassins just happen to be some of our top cash shoppers, so maybe they just bought a lot of gems? Namely Goldspark and Shattershard? Sorry to post without asking I just thought that this is kinda important.

    MM base crit damage is like 260-265% or so, crit chance is 8%, but I think that's for everyone? Almost all that I've seen it's 8% I have no gems, but I think I have a stat bonus for damage... can't check right now sorry,and while I haven't played a sin, I'm assuming there's is somewhat higher, at least in the crit damage department.

    Warriors have very low crit damage from what I'm told by guildies, so yeah, any crit could easily out damage them.... but then most guildies are elf wars so that might have something to do with it.

    Prots in my guild are all Marble so I can't really comment on there damage, but I've seen one crit 21k at level 55 or so, but that was once and I don't think I've seen him crit very often, even though he's the main prot in the guild (he's much higher than 55 now).

    On another note though I understand what you were saying that sins shouldn't have to crit to compete damage wise... that just seems silly. I do know that when in stealth their crit chance skyrockets (like up 35%? I would consider that skyrocketing when talking about crit chance).


    Also, this guide is really good, I've suggested it a couple of times because I believe it is very thorough, just incorrect in some places and needs to be fixed. :) If newbies rather make their own thread instead of read it's their own fault.
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  • nightwolf200nightwolf200 Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Yeah, I mean... assasins can only match protector damage when they crit? Isn't that a bit... off? Since assasins are supposed to have the best DPS around the neigbourhood? lol

    protectors aren't dps lol it takes like 2 seconds for protectors to just do auto attack. while sin's do auto attack in like 1.2 seconds. seriously i couldn't get a protector past lvl 10 cuz how boring and slow their attacks are.
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sins crit ALOT in my opinion. Given, I usually only party with guildies anymore and the top assassins just happen to be some of our top cash shoppers, so maybe they just bought a lot of gems? Namely Goldspark and Shattershard? Sorry to post without asking I just thought that this is kinda important.

    MM base crit damage is like 260-265% or so, crit chance is 8%, but I think that's for everyone? Almost all that I've seen it's 8% I have no gems, but I think I have a stat bonus for damage... can't check right now sorry,and while I haven't played a sin, I'm assuming there's is somewhat higher, at least in the crit damage department.

    Warriors have very low crit damage from what I'm told by guildies, so yeah, any crit could easily out damage them.... but then most guildies are elf wars so that might have something to do with it.

    Prots in my guild are all Marble so I can't really comment on there damage, but I've seen one crit 21k at level 55 or so, but that was once and I don't think I've seen him crit very often, even though he's the main prot in the guild (he's much higher than 55 now).

    On another note though I understand what you were saying that sins shouldn't have to crit to compete damage wise... that just seems silly. I do know that when in stealth their crit chance skyrockets (like up 35%? I would consider that skyrocketing when talking about crit chance).


    Also, this guide is really good, I've suggested it a couple of times because I believe it is very thorough, just incorrect in some places and needs to be fixed. :) If newbies rather make their own thread instead of read it's their own fault.

    WOW! you kinda opened my eyes on rogues. Seriously i never made one because there was so many already. But i just assumed they had a skill to raise crit rate (apparently stealth does) but i thought a passive skill. Im still planning to come back soon and thats for recommending my guide. I actually tell you the truth i didnt spend to much time on it the first time i posted it (the first quote of it will show you what it said). I have added stuff like what race for what class and other stuff along those lines. But really i didnt think about it to much. thought you should know that since you were kind of thinking i thought and planned this out. It took me like 20 minutes to make the first posting. Since then i been adding parts but i do reading before i post. Thanks for you comment


    Everyone else - Thank you for you help in making this guide. I know there are some errors but the way i made this guide is more of what is expected from the classes. No by the Trees. Now i am thinking of adding a part where it tells you what talent tree is best for what for each class. So if you all could please post something involving Talent Trees and classes. Please and thank you the comments.
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    protectors aren't dps lol it takes like 2 seconds for protectors to just do auto attack. while sin's do auto attack in like 1.2 seconds. seriously i couldn't get a protector past lvl 10 cuz how boring and slow their attacks are.

    He didn't say that protectors dps. He was saying that a Protectors damage can be reached (possibly surpassed) if a assasin crits and attack. He never said or implied protectors DPS
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Maybe on your server, but in Lionheart, mm's kick butt as high dps! Our hp definitely outweighs mages and we pwn in pvp when given to the right people. Granted I am not one of those people, but I have seen plenty of proof that mm's are pvp gods when given to good people. But then again, same can be said of every class!

    Burst mm's can go aggro crazy because usually anything is dead before it hits them! ;) They also tend to save priest by stealing aggro from wayward mobs.

    As for your list. I guess I can see why you're rather... ill informed of a good mm's capability. Also, I envy your sever that isn't bogged down with bards... too often they are my main healers in instances where a 10sec cd for 2k health isn't going to cut it.....


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    sorry for all these posts forum moderators dont know how to quote more then one at a time -_-

    Could you please make a popularity list for lionheart for me :D please and if you do thank you :D would be very much appriciated
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  • Rockbridge - Storm LegionRockbridge - Storm Legion Posts: 502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Class Difficulty PvE and PvP
    PvE
    hardest to easiest, General summary of classes
    Bard
    Mage (inless lightning at early levels)
    Vamp
    Priest
    Protector (inless your instancing)
    Marksmen
    Assassin
    Warrior

    I have to disagree with a couple of these:
    Vamp is pretty easy overall pve wise. In solo you can self heal and deal out incredible amounts of damage making questing quite easy. In instances you will usually just dps or support heal, there is some multitasking involved but its really not that difficult.

    Priest is definitely harder than either mage or vamp. Healing is always a difficult task in instances. They also tend to have the lowest dps and so solo play is also more cumbersome.

    Protectors are the 3rd hardest class PVE wise (below bard and priest) simply because of instances which is where you spend a vast majority of time. The protector must lead the group keeping eyes on aggro, mob/boss positions, his hp/mp, the healer's hp/mp, buffs, debuffs, and anything else pertaining to a typical tank's job. Solo questing may be fairly easy but the difficulty of tanking makes up for it.

    Mages may have a slightly harder time solo questing but in instances their job is quite simple and easy: dps. Knowing when to aoe vs single target is about the only hard decision they have to make. Hence my order of hardest to easiest PVE wise:

    1. Bard
    2. Priest
    3. Protector
    4. Mage
    5. Vamp
    6. Marksman
    7. Assassin
    8. Warrior
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  • Axym - LionheartAxym - Lionheart Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Now i am thinking of adding a part where it tells you what talent tree is best for what for each class. So if you all could please post something involving Talent Trees and classes. Please and thank you the comments.

    While the guide I posted before is a great indepth summary, I suppose I could try to summarize it even further :rolleyes:

    Some MM's might disagree with me on this but this is somewhat how MM trees go:

    Left: Precision(Snipe?): Your pve 1v1 tree. This tree is all about raw attack power and boosting your hits to see as high numbers as you can possibly get. Their main element is earth attacks. This is the tree I hope some others will comment on because I don't know too much about it, but I think there are some great debuffs and party bonuses further down the tree.

    Middle: Soul(Control?): Your pvp 1v1 tree. This tree is about managing your soul bullets, and many who go this route boast about never being out of soul bullets.This tree is all about crit damage/chance/stuns. The popular opinion is to not try this tree until lvl 55 because it becomes very expensive to use this tree efficiently since you'll need plenty of Goldspark and Shattershards. Because of this, very few mm's are actually soul. I like to see this tree as a bit of the better of both elements (earth and fire), but again, I'm just experimenting, and on an alt at that, so I'm definitely no expert. I am experimenting with this tree, but for further explanation, just check the guide lol.

    Right: Burst (Bombieder): Your pve aoe tree. They have Rake of Fury which not only hits everything in it's path but also almost always inflicts burn DoT on the targets. This tree has a few other DoT attacks, but burn is the most proficient. 80% of all mm's are burst because of the ability to aoe grind and popularity in parties, not to mention it's fun to set everything on fire :D.

    Could you please make a popularity list for lionheart for me please and if you do thank you would be very much appriciated

    In my very honest opinion:
    1. Vampires
    2. Warriors
    3. Bards
    4. Priests
    5. Assassins - there are alot walking around, but I hardly see one in an instance anymore when I auto-que (GT, Fissure, GL)
    6. Mages
    7. Protectors
    8. Marksmen

    Marksmen are probably the rarest, but Lionheart is really populated and you'll see plenty of us on our stupid little metal chickens. I have infact been put in plenty of 3 mm parties, so while they are rarer, they most certainly aren't "rare." Vampires are dying off fast in our server and I'm sure warriors are soon to over take them, seems like more and more mages are being made too so this list can change very soon.
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  • nightwolf200nightwolf200 Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    not specialized in shadow or edge but i can offer a summary about venom

    Left: Venom: This is pretty much the pure DPS/PvE tree for assassins. Specializes in Dark type attacks. The tree focuses on raising the attacks of dark attacks, raising chances of gaining extra agony orbs or retaining agony orbs from finisher moves, DoT skills, raises the effects and debuffs from agony orbs when using Dark Nightmare, Pitch, and Nightmare Termination, and raises dark mastery.
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  • Remnants - Storm LegionRemnants - Storm Legion Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Well Venom adds currently 2 dark moves but not based on it. Was more so when NT was a Dark damage move. (missed :'()

    Venom is based on Agony Orbs. To gain more of them over a short time, increase damage output, and lowers the defense of your target. Later in the tree you gain another DoT to help with NT.

    I would say it raises dark mastery but you would figuire that would be out there since it is an Assassin and lives in the shadow that last for 10 sec. :D
  • Luciferia - IllyfueLuciferia - Illyfue Posts: 3,982 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Well, my little piece of helf for vampires:

    Blood: It is commonly regarded as a tree that mostly focuses on heals. However, a more accurate description would be "a tree that focuses on hp". And by that I mean it focuses on heals, leeches hp regen and hp/healing debuffs. The leeches and hp regens can make a blood vamp extremely difficult to kill, potentially making them very good tanks.
    Out of all class/tree combinations in the whole game, blood vampires are the best soloers and the most versatile.

    EDIT: The main element for dark vampires is Darkness.
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  • nightwolf200nightwolf200 Posts: 3,073 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Well Venom adds currently 2 dark moves but not based on it. Was more so when NT was a Dark damage move. (missed :'()

    Venom is based on Agony Orbs. To gain more of them over a short time, increase damage output, and lowers the defense of your target. Later in the tree you gain another DoT to help with NT.

    I would say it raises dark mastery but you would figuire that would be out there since it is an Assassin and lives in the shadow that last for 10 sec. :D

    NT was never a dark damage move dude. i know your trying to help but all you said was what i already had put.
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Hello people,
    I just want to say thank you for all your help in making this guide. I have added some more stuff with the help of you people. Thanks for all the help. I hope this guide is actually helping someone :P. Again thank you and please help me with these things

    - Grammar/puncuation

    - finish the class trees

    - keep it updated
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  • Axym - LionheartAxym - Lionheart Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    :D Didn't think you were going to quote me XD whooo I'm going to be hated in the mm world lol.


    1st off, when doing my list, there are two #5's and no #7.... just fyi
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    two fives??? two sevens??? im so confused lol
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  • Axym - LionheartAxym - Lionheart Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    This is the order of what classes are more common in order (lionheart)
    1.Vampire
    2Warrior
    3.Bards
    4.Priest
    5.Assasin - there are alot walking around, but I hardly see one in an instance anymore when I auto-que (GT, Fissure, GL)
    6.Mages
    7.Protector
    8.Marksmen

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fixed.....;)
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  • Ashaw - EyrdaAshaw - Eyrda Posts: 1,127 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    oh thanks :P lol sorry when i made it the first time i skipped assasins number :P but then i looked at it and added it again lol my bad
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  • Axym - LionheartAxym - Lionheart Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    lol about the last bit I can contribute... I stink at grammer.... lol
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