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Fallout 76 aka The facts why Fallout 76 is bad. Or why Bethesda is.

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  • beezeezebeezeeze Posts: 921 Arc User
    Yep this latest bit of awful news is actually truly awful. I may have been rolling my eyes a bit about the complaints about the game itself but accidently releasing player's personal information to the public is just an absolutely colossal screw up.

  • baelogventurebaelogventure Posts: 484 Arc User
    spinnytop wrote: »
    I dunno I've heard terrible things about that game. Like not just "world is empty, gaem is boring" stuff, but like serious security issues. It's starting to look like they set it up in the same way GunZ 2 was setup, i.e. hackers paradise.​​

    Script kiddies with Cheat Engine or FPS exploits wasn't the issue here, it was Bethesda's own incompetence with doxing their own customers.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 14,932 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    Script kiddies with Cheat Engine or FPS exploits wasn't the issue here,

    It wasn't the issue in GunZ either. I don't think you actually have any idea what I was talking about in that post. I called this, deal with it.​​
  • baelogventurebaelogventure Posts: 484 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    spinnytop wrote: »
    Script kiddies with Cheat Engine or FPS exploits wasn't the issue here,

    It wasn't the issue in GunZ either. I don't think you actually have any idea what I was talking about in that post. I called this, deal with it.​​

    You didn't call anything. You said it was "le ebin hackzors", not Bethesda doxing their own customers.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,436 Arc User
    Not the first time this sort of thing has happened, sadly I doubt it'll be the last. Previous time was with the user account database on DCUO getting "stolen"...
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,136 Arc User
    Not the first time this sort of thing has happened, sadly I doubt it'll be the last. Previous time was with the user account database on DCUO getting "stolen"...
    Then there were the two (three, maybe? I wasn't paying that much attention at the time) occasions when the Playstation Network was exposed. Don't recall anyone bashing on PS4 games because of it, but again I wasn't paying that much attention.
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  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 14,932 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Don't recall anyone bashing on PS4 games because of it, but again I wasn't paying that much attention.

    Bashing on Bethesda is the hip thing to do.​​
  • sistersiliconsistersilicon Posts: 1,668 Arc User
    spinnytop wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    Don't recall anyone bashing on PS4 games because of it, but again I wasn't paying that much attention.

    Bashing on Bethesda is the hip thing to do.​​

    I never finished Daggerfall for all the bugs and crashes to desktop DOS prompt, so I guess I’ve been on trend since 1996.
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    And yet, there's all the people who did finish it. Whatever will we do about them and their differing experiences.
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  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 2,979 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    jonsills wrote: »
    Not the first time this sort of thing has happened, sadly I doubt it'll be the last. Previous time was with the user account database on DCUO getting "stolen"...
    Then there were the two (three, maybe? I wasn't paying that much attention at the time) occasions when the Playstation Network was exposed. Don't recall anyone bashing on PS4 games because of it, but again I wasn't paying that much attention.

    The PSN wasn't "exposed" in the same way Bethesda's support system was in this latest fiasco. Hackers were dedicated enough to find a way to break security measures in place. The people who hacked PSN had to use unconventional methods to find a vulnerability in their servers.

    There has never been an instance where a PSN user raising a support ticket was able to view another user's ticket's information that not only contained the nature of their complaint, but also their name, home address and credit card info, because that's what exactly happened with Bethesda's support system. This isn't a case of hackers with malicious intent to steal private information from Bethesda's servers, anyone could do it by simply using the support system as intended.

    I can understand overlooking game bugs if you're enjoying the game and that leading to you thinking the developer is great and all, but draw the line somewhere and hold them accountable when they **** up badly like this.
  • spinnytopspinnytop Posts: 14,932 Arc User
    jennymachx wrote: »
    I can understand overlooking game bugs if you're enjoying the game and that leading to you thinking the developer is great and all, but draw the line somewhere and hold them accountable when they **** up badly like this.

    Honestly, I feel the same way about the PSN breach. You're a billion dollar company, secure your ****.​​
  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,136 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    jennymachx wrote: »
    I can understand overlooking game bugs if you're enjoying the game and that leading to you thinking the developer is great and all, but draw the line somewhere and hold them accountable when they **** up badly like this.
    I'm ready and willing to hold Bethesda accountable. However, what I object to is the attempt to bash F76 itself because of this. When it happens to other developers, nobody tries to claim that's a mark against the developer's games - yet somehow, in this instance, it's considered to be a valid complaint to direct against the game itself.

    Then again, I never saw why the whole "canvas/nylon" thing was such a big deal anyway. I didn't buy the Power Armor Edition for a bag, I bought it for a replica T-51b helmet, which I have. The carrying bag, map, and army-man-style figurines are just a nice bonus.
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  • beezeezebeezeeze Posts: 921 Arc User
    jeezypete... if you paid $200 just for the canvas bag you are an idiot.

  • xcelsior41xcelsior41 Posts: 1,018 Arc User
    > @beezeeze said:
    > jeezypete... if you paid $200 just for the canvas bag you are an idiot.

    I guess. But then again you could say anyone’s an idiot for paying $200 at all for F76 for any reason which I don’t think would be 100% accurate
    Buffing everything to stupid high levels and nerfing everything to piss poor levels yields the same results, but not the same community reactions.

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  • beezeezebeezeeze Posts: 921 Arc User
    xcelsior41 wrote: »
    > @beezeeze said:
    > jeezypete... if you paid $200 just for the canvas bag you are an idiot.

    I guess. But then again you could say anyone’s an idiot for paying $200 at all for F76 for any reason which I don’t think would be 100% accurate

    well yeah. I guess...

  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,136 Arc User
    xcelsior41 wrote: »
    > @beezeeze said:
    > jeezypete... if you paid $200 just for the canvas bag you are an idiot.

    I guess. But then again you could say anyone’s an idiot for paying $200 at all for F76 for any reason which I don’t think would be 100% accurate
    Also true. I paid $60 for F76, and another $120 for a T-51b power-armor helmet replica with a voice changer (which last bit I didn't even know about until it got here). Given prices for various Halloween costume bits (from many franchises, not just this one), it was reasonable.

    I also got a carrying bag with a West Tek logo (the company that developed powered armor, among other things), a map, and an assortment of miniatures.
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  • beezeezebeezeeze Posts: 921 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    xcelsior41 wrote: »
    > @beezeeze said:
    > jeezypete... if you paid $200 just for the canvas bag you are an idiot.

    I guess. But then again you could say anyone’s an idiot for paying $200 at all for F76 for any reason which I don’t think would be 100% accurate
    Also true. I paid $60 for F76, and another $120 for a T-51b power-armor helmet replica with a voice changer (which last bit I didn't even know about until it got here). Given prices for various Halloween costume bits (from many franchises, not just this one), it was reasonable.

    I also got a carrying bag with a West Tek logo (the company that developed powered armor, among other things), a map, and an assortment of miniatures.

    What minis though? Seriously... I never got a good look at them...

    Are they in scale with Fallout: Wasteland Warfare?

  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,136 Arc User
    beezeeze wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    xcelsior41 wrote: »
    > @beezeeze said:
    > jeezypete... if you paid $200 just for the canvas bag you are an idiot.

    I guess. But then again you could say anyone’s an idiot for paying $200 at all for F76 for any reason which I don’t think would be 100% accurate
    Also true. I paid $60 for F76, and another $120 for a T-51b power-armor helmet replica with a voice changer (which last bit I didn't even know about until it got here). Given prices for various Halloween costume bits (from many franchises, not just this one), it was reasonable.

    I also got a carrying bag with a West Tek logo (the company that developed powered armor, among other things), a map, and an assortment of miniatures.

    What minis though? Seriously... I never got a good look at them...

    Are they in scale with Fallout: Wasteland Warfare?
    Probably not, because they're not even in scale with each other (then again, if they were either the Mr. Handy would be too easy to lose or the Scorchbeast would fill most of the bag).
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  • colonelwingcolonelwing Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    Lunchboxes, anybody? Another Bethesda oopsie:



    No need to change the title, there is no bashing in this thread. People merely are stating facts.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 6,136 Arc User
    Are you in the least familiar with the difference between "fact" and "opinion"?

    I'm guessing not.
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  • beezeezebeezeeze Posts: 921 Arc User
    Yeah claim you're just stating facts in the same post that contains a video that is %100 pure speculation. Oh no lunchboxes! Bethesda liiiiied!!! everybody panic! Outrage!!

    Lets take random guesses on what they might contain and make a video with a click baity title about it.


  • colonelwingcolonelwing Posts: 183 Arc User
    Sorry but, this IS proof:

    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_FortifyXPBonus EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_FortifyXPBonus
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_CarryCapacityBonus EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_CarryCapacityBonus
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_DMGBonus EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_DMGBonus
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_RadResistBonus EDID changed to zzz_RECLAIM_Effect_RadResistBonus


    > ATX_Entitlement_Category_Store_TEST EDID changed to ATX_Entitlement_Category_Store_Lunchboxes
    ATX_Entitlement_Category_Store_PerkCardPacks full name removed


    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_RewardEffect EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_RewardEffect
    Party Favor Apply gains Ability_Spell ATX_Lunchbox_JumpAbility "Balloons!" script
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_ActivatorEffect EDID changed to zzz_RECLAIM_ActivatorEffect
    Lunchbox Activator and Animation lost it's scripts
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_JumpApplier EDID changed to zzz_RECLAIM_JumpApplier
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_Serum_BalloonJumpApplier

    EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_BalloonJumpApplier
    lost it's scripts
    Hide in UI, Painless, No Death Dispell flags added
    ATX_Lunchbox_JumpAbility "Balloons!" set as Equip Ability

    ATX_Lunchbox_SugarRush_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_PlasticAnimals_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_Noisemaker_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_GiftBag_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_Fingertrap_Message added
    zzz_RECLAIM_Balloons_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_Antacids_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_Balloons_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_Confetti_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_SoMuchCake_Message added
    ATX_Lunchbox_ToGoPunch_Message added
    AbSpotlightTextDummyWeek008 deleted
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_FortifyJumpHeight

    EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_FortifyJumpHeight
    AbilityTypeMutation, AbilityTypeMutation_PositiveEffect added

    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_VFXEffect EDID changed to zzz_RECLAIM_VFXEffect
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_AddConfettiPerk

    EDID changed to zzz_RECLAIM_AddConfettiPerk
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_Confetti01 "Confetti Perk" was removed from Perk to Aply

    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_PerkConfettiApply

    EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_PerkConfettiApply
    script Economy:LunchboxPerkFanfareScript added

    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_PerkConfettiEffect EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_PerkConfettiEffect
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_NoHunger_Effect


    There are two options:
    1. They intended to put lootcrates in the game, but ditched the idea (over the recent backlash)
    2. They are intending to put lootcrates in the game, in the near future.

    The code for doing so, is apparently already in place, aka. Todd Howard is a liar.
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Posts: 183 Arc User
    ATX stands for atomic shop transaction, btw.
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Posts: 183 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Are you in the least familiar with the difference between "fact" and "opinion"?

    I'm guessing not.

    I am basing my opinion on facts.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 4,436 Arc User
    still speculation if you don't know what Bethesda was using the variable names FOR.
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  • beezeezebeezeeze Posts: 921 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    ATX stands for atomic shop transaction, btw.


    I didn't say that the lootboxes weren't coming I was just pointing out that any info about the contents inside of them is at this point pure speculation.

    When did they ever say they would not do lootboxes?

  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 7,809 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    Isn't there enuff loot in that game allready?....
    My back cannae take it anymore, captain.

    I mean, you can just choose not to open those.
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  • colonelwingcolonelwing Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    beezeeze wrote: »


    I didn't say that the lootboxes weren't coming I was just pointing out that any info about the contents inside of them is at this point pure speculation.

    When did they ever say they would not do lootboxes?

    How is it speculation, when it's written into the game already?
    The contents are:
    XP boosts, increased equip load, radiation resistance, damage bonus, aswell as perk cards...


    Sorry, but they said exactly this: It's only going to be -> cosmetic.
    They recently stealth nerfed the exp gain. This is common practice in the gaming industry (usually mmos), just to sell you the nerfed exp in form of exp boosters and that, along with the other crate contents is far from cosmetic.

    flyingfinn wrote: »
    Isn't there enuff loot in that game allready?....
    My back cannae take it anymore, captain.

    I mean, you can just choose not to open those.

    There you go:
    POST_ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_CarryCapacityBonus EDID changed to ATX_Lunchbox_Effect_CarryCapacityBonus


  • colonelwingcolonelwing Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited December 2018
    still speculation if you don't know what Bethesda was using the variable names FOR.

    You can read, right? Stockholm syndrome much? Of course, now that gamers found out about the code being in place, Bethesda is going to pull the brakes on their plans. But still, it doesn't make their secret attempt at shoving MTX into the customers faces, less insulting.
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