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piercingwhistle
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Hey everyone,
I'm looking for a build that marries dual pistols and unarmed martial arts, preferably with the Night Warrior passive but if other passives are optimal then that's fine. It's for a spy build. Thanks in advance!
I'm looking for a build that marries dual pistols and unarmed martial arts, preferably with the Night Warrior passive but if other passives are optimal then that's fine. It's for a spy build. Thanks in advance!
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Super Stats
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Intelligence (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)
Talents
Level 1: The Specialist (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Int: 8, Rec: 10)
Level 6: Covert Ops Training (Str: 3, Dex: 3, Con: 3, Int: 3)
Level 9: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 12: Healthy Mind (Con: 5, Int: 5)
Level 15: Coordinated (Dex: 5, Int: 5)
Level 18: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Powers
Level 1: Gunslinger
Level 1: Thundering Kicks (Rank 2, Demolishing Strikes)
Level 6: Night Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3, Silent Running)
Level 8: Form of the Tempest
Level 11: Smoke Bomb Lunge (Nailed to the Ground)
Level 14: Molecular Self-Assembly
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Dragon Uppercut (Rank 2, Dragon Rush)
Level 23: Lead Tempest (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 26: Holdout Shot (Stim Pack, Open Wound)
Level 29: Resurgence (Rank 2)
Level 32: Burst Shot (Taking Names)
Level 35: Parry (Rank 2)
Level 38: Fiery Embrace
Adv. Points: 34/36
Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:
Specializations
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (3/3)
Dexterity: Power Swell (2/2)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Warden: Fortified Gear (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: Upper Hand (2/3)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (2/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
Mastery: Dexterity Mastery (1/1)
Uses TKicks as cheap melee cleave and filler, and to put up Demolish, while charged DU can apply Rush and deal heavier single-target dps (and help CC trash). LT can provide wide pbAoE, while Burst Shot can add another Crushing debuff and ranged attack to the mix. Using the lunge, Holdout Shot, and/or Conviction can all proc MSA. Gears mostly for Dex, w/ some Con and Int.
- Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
Ahhh, this looks great. Thanks again, Flow!
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I use the Thunder Kick to reduce Crush resistance and Bullet Ballet/Dragon Uppercut for ST and Bullet hail for some AOE and Damage Shield.
SAMARITAN Melee Damage
v3.29:31
Super Stats
Level 6: Strength (Primary)
Level 10: Dexterity (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)
Talents
Level 1: The Predator (Str: 10, Dex: 10, Con: 8, Rec: 10)
Level 6: Martial Focus (Str: 5, Dex: 5)
Level 9: Physical Conditioning (Str: 5, Con: 5)
Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 15: Relentless (Str: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 18: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 21: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Powers
Level 1: Gunslinger
Level 1: Burst Shot (Taking Names)
Level 6: Bullet Hail (Rank 2, Wall of Bullets)
Level 8: Unstoppable (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Form of the Tempest
Level 14: Killer Instinct
Level 17: Bullet Ballet (Rank 2, Not Without Incident)
Level 20: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Thundering Kicks (Rank 2, Demolishing Strikes)
Level 26: Thunderbolt Lunge (Nailed to the Ground)
Level 29: Antagonize (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Resurgence
Level 35: Imbue
Level 38: Dragon Uppercut (Dragon Rush)
Adv. Points: 36/36
Travel Powers
Level 6: Athletics (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 35: Teleportation (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Specializations
Strength: Swole (3/3)
Strength: Aggression (2/2)
Strength: Brutality (2/2)
Strength: Juggernaut (1/3)
Strength: Overpower (2/3)
Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Brawler: The Glory of Battle (1/3)
Brawler: Penetrating Strikes (2/2)
Brawler: Ruthless (2/2)
Brawler: Flanking (3/3)
Brawler: Offensive Expertise (2/2)
Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)
Devices
I know you mentioned Night Warrior, so you can swap out passives. (Or maybe I might swap out passive).
I use Unstoppable for damage boost and some KB resistance and damage reduction.
I wonder if NW Damage boost / enemy damage resist debuff / Charge speed boost is worth it. (Stealth and shadow strike might fit concept also)
Might also remove 2 ranks from Athletics and get rank 2 Dragon Uppercut.
Thanks for your input! I'll try both out and see which one feels better for me.
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I've had time to review these builds and while both play well, it doesn't feel like my character. There are some aspects from both that I like + new ideas I wanted advice on. I still very much want to keep the unarmed martial arts/dual pistols theme, and I'm willing to sacrifice optimal DPS for theme. I still would very much like to keep the build survivable and viable, though.
First, I don't really like bullet hail and burst shot. The former because of its visuals, and the latter because it feels clunky to use. I prefer two gun mojo. What I really do like is bullet ballet. It's perfect for the theme. To be honest, I'm struggling with the ratio of martial arts attacks with dual pistols attacks. Thematically, I like the idea of being mainly martial arts, with dual pistol powers sprinkled in (e.g. bullet ballet for combos, holdout shot for healing and lead tempest for ranged aoe). I also would prefer a righteous fists energy builder.
Secondly, I was considering how viable it is to opt for a defensive passive/toggle form. This is purely thematic, as I wanted something to represent the spy suit's defensive capabilities. Visually, inertial dampening field is perfect but I'm not sure if that's viable. Something like personal force field that says the spy suit is shielded. So ideally, I'd like to try either one of those powers into the mix (or any appropriate/better replacements). I think this is where I'd have to sacrifice optimal damage.
Regards to night warrior, I don't feel like stealth is that important to me thematically, so I'm willing to replace that.
It's a tall order, and I appreciate any input on this. It's not the most synergised build, but to be honest, as long as its viable and can survive end game content/events, I'd be happy! Thank you!
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Also, keep in mind that NW is a good dps passive even w/o using Sneak at all. If you don't like stealth for the concept, then you can simply ignore or not hotkey Sneak and Shadow Strike and still do just fine w/ R3 NW.
Bullet Ballet + Holdout + LT is a pretty solid foundation, though, so we can def work those in. You'd still really want the Armor Piercing debuff and Furious for Bullet Ballet, which I why I'd still keep Burst Shot in there (you only have to tap it for AP, and even then the anim would be so quick that you'd hardly notice it in between spamming BB). There's other ways to get the AP debuff- most convenient would be the Frag Grenade w/ adv, but I dunno if that's thematic enough for you.
(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Hybrid)
v3.42:34
Super Stats
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)
Talents
Level 1: The Chiller (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 9: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 15: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
Level 18: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
Powers
Level 1: Gunslinger
Level 1: Burst Shot (Taking Names)
Level 6: Killer Instinct
Level 8: Personal Force Field (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Form of the Tempest
Level 14: Bullet Ballet (Rank 2, Not Without Incident)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Lead Tempest (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Holdout Shot (Stim Pack, Open Wound)
Level 26: Masterful Dodge (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 29: Parry (Rank 2)
Level 32: Thunderbolt Lunge (Nailed to the Ground)
Level 35:
Level 38:
Adv. Points: 30/36
Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:
Specializations
Dexterity: Combat Training (3/3)
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (2/3)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (2/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)
The open power slots can be for w/e ya want.
Keep in mind, though, that if you are using BB and LT as your main attacks then it'll mostly be a Muni build w/ some MA sprinkled in, and not the other way around. However, gun katas can blend well w/ CO's MA, so in terms of theme it doesn't really matter too much that most of your attacks are in Muni, imo.
If you want a bit of the force field theme, but still taking a higher-dps route, then you could first change the block enhancer to Force Shield, so you at least have that visual when you block. Then you can go back to the Melee dps role and use something like NW as the slotted passive (instead of PFF). You'd be quite squishier too then, so it's just a trade-off that you have to decide for yourself.
- Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
Thanks for the input. I really like your build, but want to tweak it to your suggestions. First, if PFF isn't good for damage, I won't fight it. I'd like to keep this build, and I have some ideas for the last two empty power slots.
In terms of roles, if Bullet Ballet is my main attack, should I be in the melee, ranged or hybrid role?
I'd like to keep R3 NW instead of PFF, use a Force block and for the last two powers, I was thinking of using Bionic Shielding (for thematic purposes and extra healing) and the most appropriate active offense (Lock n Load/Imbue/Intensity). If this is a good idea, I was wondering how the build would change in terms of what stats to pick and which spec tree to go down in. If I could add these things to the build, it'd be perfect!
Thanks again Flow.
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I used to be Hies but then Perfect World wasn't so perfect and now I'm piercingwhistle! Here, have this thread from my long-gone account. AoE Projectile Set!
If BBallet is our main attack, then you'd want to be in the Melee dps role to optimize its dmg, since the entire combo is melee-flagged.
As for switching to NW and Force Shield, and adding Bionic Shielding- it sounds fine. Bionic Shielding isn't as useful w/ Conviction around for self-healing, but you can still throw it on yourself (and allies, unlike w/ Conviction) for the extra survival boost when taking dmg (it's a bit costly, so I wouldn't use it too frequently- you're still a dps'er and not a healer, at the end of the day). Here's a quick edited version of the previous build:
(Unnamed Build) - Freeform (Melee Damage)
v3.42:34
Super Stats
Level 6: Dexterity (Primary)
Level 10: Recovery (Secondary)
Level 15: Constitution (Secondary)
Talents
Level 1: The Chiller (Dex: 10, Con: 10, Rec: 8, End: 10)
Level 6: Impresario (Dex: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 9: Quick Recovery (Con: 5, Rec: 5)
Level 12: Acrobat (Dex: 5, Con: 5)
Level 15: Amazing Stamina (Rec: 5, End: 5)
Level 18: Accurate (Dex: 5, End: 5)
Level 21: Boundless Reserves (Con: 5, End: 5)
Powers
Level 1: Gunslinger
Level 1: Burst Shot (Taking Names)
Level 6: Killer Instinct
Level 8: Night Warrior (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 11: Form of the Tempest
Level 14: Bullet Ballet (Rank 2, Not Without Incident)
Level 17: Conviction (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 20: Lead Tempest (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 23: Holdout Shot (Stim Pack, Open Wound)
Level 26: Indestructible (Rank 2)
Level 29: Force Shield (Rank 2, Rank 3)
Level 32: Thunderbolt Lunge (Nailed to the Ground)
Level 35: Bionic Shielding (Rank 2)
Level 38: Intensity (Rank 2)
Adv. Points: 34/36
Travel Powers
Level 6:
Level 35:
Specializations
Dexterity: Combat Training (3/3)
Dexterity: Gear Utilization (2/3)
Dexterity: Deadly Aim (3/3)
Dexterity: Expose Weakness (2/2)
Warden: Fortified Gear (2/3)
Warden: Slaughter (3/3)
Warden: Ruthless (2/2)
Warden: The Best Defense (3/3)
Vindicator: Aggressive Stance (2/2)
Vindicator: Merciless (3/3)
Vindicator: Focused Strikes (2/3)
Vindicator: Mass Destruction (3/3)
Mastery: Warden Mastery (1/1)
- Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!
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I used to be Hies but then Perfect World wasn't so perfect and now I'm piercingwhistle! Here, have this thread from my long-gone account. AoE Projectile Set!
- Be safe and have fun, champs - for science!