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So I am a very new player, and have used both slots available for characters.

One of the characters has problems (bugged powers, the character was given my username automatically by the game, others).

The worst part, the buggy powers, has made it so I can't succeed at the big missions anymore. So I only have one functional character at the moment. I have tried approaching the developers but they are avoiding providing an answer.

Is there anything I can do about the bum character?
Can you change archetypes? How?
Can you "retrain"? (I have read about retraining, but I can't find any information on how to gain the ability to do it)

Just trying to figure out how the dynamics of this game work. The wiki doesn't seem to have anything and internet searches didn't turn anything up for me either.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Posts: 5,565 Arc User
    There are token for retraining and retconning (which allows you to restart the character from go, without having to lose levels). Those methods, however, generally cost either considerable in-game Resources or Zen. Unless you're particularly tied to this toon, you might be better off to delete and recreate from scratch.
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  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User
    Where do you get them? How much do they cost?

    Honestly, I haven't found anyone in game who takes resources for anything meaningful, how are they useful? I mean, I bought a bag, and I know you can buy a couple minor items, but I haven't found anything else worthwhile.

  • kallethenkallethen Posts: 1,489 Arc User
    If you go into the powerhouse, you can remove powers/ranks/advantages one by one in reverse order that were chosen, at an increasing cost of resources (also can remove specializations, talents, and superstats in one shot for a cost). The costs for this also increase as you level.

    Retrain tokens and retcon tokens can be purchased with Zen in the Zen store. One allows you to switch ATs while the other will just reset all of your powers, stats, ranks, specializations, etc so you can reselect them, but keeps you in the same AT.​​
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  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 813 Arc User
    Hi Erile

    Retrain and Rename options appear on the right hand side of the Character Selection screen.

    To Remove powers, reset your stats, etc, go into one of the Powerhouses and talk the Head Trainer - there is a remove powers option shown there. It costs resources to do so; you can spend those resources on either removing powers and advantages (one at a time, most recent first), or resetting stats and specialisations. Once you do this, stay in the Powerhouse and use the Training rooms to test your new build. Don't leave until you are happy. Why? Because you can continue to make changes for free - once you leave the PH your choices are locked and you have to pay again.

    When you say "bugged"... is the character an AT? If so, which one, and can you post the build choices? We might be able to help you out with some advice on power selection, etc.

    If you're using a Freeform then a) everyone gets it wrong the first time (and the second, most of the time) b) take a look at the "Builds and Roles" thread for some sample builds. Flowcyto and the rest of the people on that thread are very helpful.

    With regards to gear and resources: you need to keep improving gear as you level. It makes a huge difference. If you're still using the starter gear pack (level 6) and haven't loaded secondary gear as you go, then everything will feel difficult, regardless of power choices. Most of the things you need will drop from defeated enemies, but pick everything up as you go. The main general vendor in Ren Cen, Karneekie The Great (just to the right of the Powerhouse in Ren Cen) will buy your trash gear and sell you a new bag, if you need storage space. He also sells useful stuff like health boosts, power boosts, etc; all for the same currency (resources). The other place to spend resources is at the Auction House in Ren Cen. There are also specific currency types that you can collect along the way and use to buy various other things (boosts, costumes, etc) - UNTIL Recognition is the low level one (I think). You can use these at the UNTIL vendor in the Recognition section of Ren Cen.

    HTH ;)
  • doctordnadoctordna Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited April 20
    Personally I delete and recreate characters quite often in all the MMOs I play. I guess I never get so attached to my character. When playing in Guild Wars, I created Simon of Aragon and beat all 3 campaigns with him over the course of a year. I tossed all his stuff in my shared character chest and deleted him and created him over as Simon of Aragon. It only took me 100 hours or so the second time around. All my guild mates freaked out. I didn't even have all 8 character slots full, they could not grasp deleting my main to run him through again. It was at this point I realized my psychological outlook is very different than most gamers. I haven't run into anyone else freaking out as bad as they did in GW. I suppose the difference might be the birthday minis they pass out over a total period of 8 years, but I don't collect them, I give them away.

    Basically my advice to @erile#2692 is to first review the information on creating the character before you remake them.

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  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User


    To Remove powers, reset your stats, etc, go into one of the Powerhouses and talk the Head Trainer - there is a remove powers option shown there. It costs resources to do so; you can spend those resources on either removing powers and advantages (one at a time, most recent first), or resetting stats and specialisations. Once you do this, stay in the Powerhouse and use the Training rooms to test your new build. Don't leave until you are happy. Why? Because you can continue to make changes for free - once you leave the PH your choices are locked and you have to pay again.

    I didn't even know this existed until now. I spent a week trying to find the place you started in but gave up and thought it was only for the tutorial. The game spits you out over by the headquarters when you start so there is no way to know the glowing circle thing is that place. And its not like the game ever tells you these things. It prompts you to train your powers from the character screen.

    How do you effectively test powers in here? I found the room with dummies, but they aren't really helpful.

    When you say "bugged"... is the character an AT? If so, which one, and can you post the build choices? We might be able to help you out with some advice on power selection, etc.

    Its the marksman, and several of the powers are badly broken. Evasive Maneuvers only activates about 10% of the time when you select it, and none of the abilities I bought (regeneration, stealth, wiping threat) work at all. Its basically garbage, which is unfortunate because it is pretty important for playing solo. There is also an attack that doesn't do damage - it has the animation, hits the target, but does zero damage.

    So its not an issue with what I chose, I did review suggestions first, its a problem related to a broken character class. I've also been updating my gear as I go, including the mods in the gear.

    The other place to spend resources is at the Auction House in Ren Cen.

    Where is the auction house? I've tried ever vendor ten times the last few days trying to find these things and must be missing it. I'm a little disappointed that resources are the main currency in game but that they can't be used for anything really.
    doctordna said:

    I tossed all his stuff in my shared character chest and deleted him and created him over as Simon of Aragon.

    Is there a shared character chest?
    jonsills said:

    There are token for retraining and retconning (which allows you to restart the character from go, without having to lose levels). Those methods, however, generally cost either considerable in-game Resources or Zen.

    Where can you buy tokens with resources?
  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 813 Arc User
    You can't buy the tokens with Resources, those are Zen only items.

    How do you effectively test powers in here? I found the room with dummies, but they aren't really helpful.

    When you enter the training area in the Powerhouse, stay on the transporter pad. Other options will appear in including one which says "Battle Station (instances by Team)". Selecting this will take you into another room - there's a terminal in front of you which enables you to set up three teams of enemies for you to fight. You can choose from the Purple Gang, PSI or Demon (Mil City enemies, basically - in other locations with PowerHouses you can test against the enemies most common in those zones), and then set up the level and team size. If you're having trouble, pick a small team and easy enemies (Purple Gang or PSI, below your level). These enemies will then act as they do in any part of the game (they can defeat you too, although you don't lose stars if they do). Use them to test out builds and play strategies.

    The Marksman is very squishy and Evasive Manoeuvres is not enough to make aggrieved enemies forget you - you need the Sleight of Mind advantage for that. It also has attacks - hello, Torrent of Arrows - which can go a very long way and aggro far too many enemies at a time, especially in Alerts. So.... you need to try and make yourself less squishy (some gear with CON statted is always a good idea) and make the most of the Advantages open to you. I use...

    Straight Shot/Split The Arrow - Diminishes your target's defenses
    Sonic Arrow / Deadly Dissonance - a full charge now stuns up to five enemies around the target
    Quarry / Fair Game - heals you every time you defeat an enemy
    Torrent of Arrows / Relentless Recurve - knocks all enemies back (needs care in use, though)
    Evasive Manoeuvres / Sleight of Mind / Stim Pack - Increases dodge, wipes threat, heals you over time
    Storm of Arrows / Achilles Heel - Roots all affected targets

    Combine that with proper gear and you have an effective toon; albeit one that will feel very squishy in high level content. All ATs without major self heals, CON as a superstat or a Defensive Passive feel that way. With the Marksman you have to know your distances and not try and stick around in the danger zone.... that's only logical, really.

    PS I think the one that doesn't do any damage is Focused Shot/Ballista Bolt. Any damage you take during the charge of that power will cancel it.
  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User


    Straight Shot/Split The Arrow - Diminishes your target's defenses
    Sonic Arrow / Deadly Dissonance - a full charge now stuns up to five enemies around the target
    Quarry / Fair Game - heals you every time you defeat an enemy
    Torrent of Arrows / Relentless Recurve - knocks all enemies back (needs care in use, though)
    Evasive Manoeuvres / Sleight of Mind / Stim Pack - Increases dodge, wipes threat, heals you over time
    Storm of Arrows / Achilles Heel - Roots all affected targets

    Combine that with proper gear and you have an effective toon; albeit one that will feel very squishy in high level content. All ATs without major self heals, CON as a superstat or a Defensive Passive feel that way. With the Marksman you have to know your distances and not try and stick around in the danger zone.... that's only logical, really.

    PS I think the one that doesn't do any damage is Focused Shot/Ballista Bolt. Any damage you take during the charge of that power will cancel it.

    Yup, I did all of those things exactly. It doesn't matter when powers don't work though.

    Evasive Maneuvers does not work: the activation is broken (10% success rate) and it doesn't wipe threat or heal you or give you stealth.
    Focused shot is broken because it doesn't do damage, not because of interruptions. It charges, hits the target, provides an animation, makes the target move, activates combat with the target (gain aggro), but it does zero damage. Before it stopped working, I only used it to initiate combat or in alerts. It stopped working though.

    So basically, really important abilities have stopped working for the Archetype and the 8 advantage points in them have been lost, so the character isn't much fun. And in reporting it, the developers have decided that it means I only get one character slot instead of two now and they told me that if I want two slots I can buy one.
  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 813 Arc User
    Really? I shall dig out my Marksman and try it. It worked last time I played (not that I don't believe, just if they've broken stuff it needs fixing).
  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited April 21
    Sure, though I won't deny it could be something wrong on my end. I've had so many issues with bugs in this game, I've been debating figuring out how to do an uninstall/reinstall.

    Of course, there is the fact that the game auto-assigned the name for that character. I'm still rather annoyed about that.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 2,666 Arc User
    yeah, given that your chat doesn't work... probably a corrupted install.
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 6,906 Arc User
    edited April 21
    If the game auto-assigned a name to your character, wouldn't it been just to simply delete that character and make a new one?
    Don't know how the game naming your character is even possible. Since you can't even exit the creator without typing something on the nameline.
    And how to uninstall/reinstall? Just delete the CO's Live folder. But save the 'screenshots' one...
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  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User
    Like I said, I was new. I didn't know that you got to choose a name until I made my second character later on after the first one was level 25 or so. Otherwise I might have tried that. I also didn't know deletion was possible yet.

    Where it the CO Live folder? I can't seem to figure out where any of the Arc/Champions files are stored other than the installer.
  • doctordnadoctordna Posts: 23 Arc User
    You asked, "Is there a shared character chest?".

    There are shared bank slots available for purchase (zen), but you can share items with your characters in CO using the mail system. Just go to one of those computer terminals marked "Until" and use the mail to send items to your own @handle name. You can send up to 5 items per message and a total of 100 messages. The mail system is just like having a shared bank account with 500 slots.

    Not all items can be transferred to other characters, some items bind to you on pick up.
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 6,906 Arc User
    edited April 23
    You need to have a Hideout for those shared bank slots. You can't mail money or account bound items. But you can store those in the Hideout's storage, which is account wide.
    And how to find certain folders. I think you should do like a Google search of how to. Might be easiest that way.
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  • rtmartma Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited April 23
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  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User

    And how to find certain folders. I think you should do like a Google search of how to. Might be easiest that way.


    I've actually done tons of searches on how to uninstall Champions online, how to uninstall arc games, PWE games, etc. There is practically no information that I an find. The few I have found are old and refer to folders that do not exist anywhere on my machine. The instructions someone gave above don't even work - the previously referenced folder doesn't exist on my machine either. My machine has nothing entitled Champions, CO, Perfect World Entertainment, Cryptic, etc. There is an Arc folder, but it has one .ini file.

    So I really haven't found anything. Its not even in the programs uninstall list.

    The files for this game are really hidden well.
  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 813 Arc User
    Should just be in a folder marked "Perfect World", or "Champions Online_en". Your screenshots should be in Perfect World/Champions Online_en/Live/Screenshots

    Uninstalling just involves deleting the folder...
  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User
    There is no such thing on my computer. There are only 9 files even containing the word "perfect" and zero folders. There are zero results of anything containing the word "champion" or "champions".

    And uninstalling with the goal of removing possibly corrupted files requires more than removing the game folder - highly relevant operational files will exist in other places and also will need to be removed to get a proper uninstall.
  • roughbearmattachroughbearmattach Posts: 4,276 Arc User
    edited April 23
    On my computer, the game files are in one location. Uninstall/Reinstall works fine for me.
    Location on my computer is C:\Users\Roughbear\Games\Champions
    Potentially, there might be some settings in a User\Prefs folder, or maybe AppData, but I don't think so.

    As for powers . . . Evasive maneuvers works as intended on my toons that have it. Think the heal effect requires you to spend advantage points.

    It's worth noting, that a threat wipe generally only affects five enemies. If you are solo, and there are more than five mobs, threat wipe doesn't help much, since it ends if you attack anything.
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  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 6,906 Arc User
    edited April 23
    Your Search Fu sucks.
    Uninstalling programs/games is some of the basics one should really know.
    Then you aren't looking properly. Since you need those files to run the game...
    Your game is in the Champions Online Live folder. You delete those files, your game goes PUFF. Then you just patch the whole game again.
    It's in the ARC folder if you're using ARC. support.arcgames.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4302/~/arc-and-game-uninstall-process <--that's a link
    Or in the Steam folder, if you use Steam.
    And you have the uninstall option in the Remove Programs in Control Panel.
    Or you've done something really weird there. I mean, can you actually launch the game?

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  • erile#2692 erile Posts: 70 Arc User

    On my computer, the game files are in one location. Uninstall/Reinstall works fine for me.
    Location on my computer is C:\Users\Roughbear\Games\Champions
    Potentially, there might be some settings in a User\Prefs folder, or maybe AppData, but I don't think so.

    There is no such folder. Besides using windows search to prove that I had no folders or files with the text string "champion" in them as I already posted above, I have also already manually searched every single folder and file in the Users folder. The only thing for Arc is a folder in Users-Public-Documents-Arc, but that folder only contains a single file called "temp.ini".

    As for powers . . . Evasive maneuvers works as intended on my toons that have it. Think the heal effect requires you to spend advantage points.

    It's worth noting, that a threat wipe generally only affects five enemies. If you are solo, and there are more than five mobs, threat wipe doesn't help much, since it ends if you attack anything.

    I have spent all the advantage points on those powers. Attempting to activate the power does not even work. There is no backflip, there is no regeneration prompts (green numbers over the head), and i have tested it at least a hundred times against lone enemies where I targeted them, went near them without attacking them, got them to attack me, activated the power, and there was no wiping of threat assessment. They do not work.

    Your Search Fu sucks.
    Uninstalling programs/games is some of the basics one should really know.
    Then you aren't looking properly. Since you need those files to run the game...

    Being rude and accusatory doesn't help anyone.

    I've been installing and uninstalling programs on computers since 1984 and hand-building my own computers since the 1990's. I know what I am doing and this is not the basics.

    Your game is in the Champions Online Live folder. You delete those files, your game goes PUFF. Then you just patch the whole game again.
    It's in the ARC folder if you're using ARC. support.arcgames.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4302/~/arc-and-game-uninstall-process <--that's a link
    Or in the Steam folder, if you use Steam.
    And you have the uninstall option in the Remove Programs in Control Panel.
    Or you've done something really weird there. I mean, can you actually launch the game?</p>

    This is literally the third post in this thread where I am explaining this.

    The Windows Search does not turn up any relevant files. There is nothing at all with "champion" or "pwe". The only files with "arc" that are associated with the game are the arc installers and the arc folder with temp.ini as I have already described. The only files with "perfect" are the arc installers. There is nothing relevant with "cryptic" (one word file). Those are the most relevant searches. I have also manually searched the posted locations from 6 different websites and the posts in the forum and they do not exist. I have manually searched the entire users folder and there is nothing there.

    I have already looked at the forum post you linked. There is NO perfect world entertainment folder on my start menu. There is no game in my program uninstall list. I was told the game removal from the arc client will destroy the save data. I need to remove the game and all associated files just from my computer, which means I need to find the folders and other associated files wherever they are and remove them, manually file by file if need be.
  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Posts: 744 Arc User
    if the search is turning up nothing on one drive, then the game was likely installed to another (unless you only have one actual hard drive, in which case you ROYALLY fudged something up)

    one thing you can try is search all possible drives for gameclient.exe, since that's the actual game executable that runs when the game is launched and will be located where the game was installed (of course, that exact same exe is also used for star trek online and neverwinter online, so if you also have either of those games installed, the search will probably pick up their versions as well)​​
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 2,666 Arc User
    Here's where Champions is on my system: C:\Program Files (x86)\Champions Online_en

    The executable itself is called Champions Online.exe.

    Your problem might be that you're not searching "system" files.
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  • riveroceanriverocean Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    Ok try this as a last resort.

    - Right Click on the Champions Online Icon on your desktop.
    - Select "Properties".
    - In the Target Box you should see a string that shows you the exact location of the .exe file.
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  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 813 Arc User
    IIRC Windows 10 doesn't add many folders to its search index (and when you type into the search box it's searching the index only, not actually looking at the drive). This is done for good reasons, but it can mean that you can't find .exe files, program data, or the like. You'll have to go into File Explorer, access the C: drive and dig down through to the suggested file locations.....
  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Posts: 744 Arc User
    riverocean wrote: »
    Ok try this as a last resort.

    - Right Click on the Champions Online Icon on your desktop.
    - Select "Properties".
    - In the Target Box you should see a string that shows you the exact location of the .exe file.

    if he installed through ARC, that won't work unless he also installed the game to the same place ARC is located - here's why:
    Target: "D:\Games\Perfect World Entertainment\Arc\ArcLauncher.exe" gamecustom co
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  • doctordnadoctordna Posts: 23 Arc User
    Since I use Linux OS, I know exactly where mine is installed. After all I put it there LOL :D If the player is using the Arc launcher does this some how confound the issue. I don't need Arc or Steam and just use executable found in; /media/Drive C/Cryptic Studios/Champions Online/Live It has been my opinion that these game launchers are not much help.
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    *Reads title* Get a Job! . . . Ahaaaaa, Just kidd'n, I'm not going to condone conformity.

    Now you are making me think I should make "Cardboard Sign Man" as a superhero. I wonder if the costume would be possible? He would need to be freeform, with the powers; Whisky Immolation, Breaking Wind, Constipation, and Mental Leech. Then his weapon would be impossible to obtain in this game; a huge slab of cardboard and a black felt tip marker.

    Sorry I didn't mean to derail this thread. Back to the topic at hand, is there really anything that could be called a "bad build" in Champions? I seriously doubt it.
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  • dialamxdialamx Posts: 414 Arc User
    This entire thread seems extremely suspicious, and trolly.

    You say you've been using, and building, computers since 1984, but can't figure out how to uninstall the game. You're claiming your powers, and your chat, are glitched, when they work perfectly fine for everyone else. You're claiming you're playing the game, yet turn around and say the files required to run the game do not exist on your computer. And you're basically telling every person who gives you detailed instructions on how to fix your issues that they're wrong, and getting defensive about it.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Posts: 2,666 Arc User
    doctordna said:

    Sorry I didn't mean to derail this thread. Back to the topic at hand, is there really anything that could be called a "bad build" in Champions? I seriously doubt it.

    Choosing the wrong SuperStats goes a long way towards making a build bad. like say, a melee character who has Ego as a SS. Or choosing ranged and Strength. Then there's powers that just don't work well together. for example choosing a power that ruptures bleeds, but not choosing any powers that create bleeds.
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